TS12 performance - a cab ride.
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I know about the tracks. In part this is because I added in some crossovers and sidings and the spline points make the track a bit crooked. I plan on going back to fix that stuff anyway. There are a lot of other tweaky things that need fixing too that I've found while in Driver but not in Surveyor? Trainz is weird that way. Things look fine in Surveyor, even when doing the ALT+Y thing, but go into driver and there are bumps all over the place. Go back and revisit those places and they look fine. I can never figure that out.
John
John
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Left out the fun part, what's the video card?
http://trainz.shaneturner.co.uk/tutorials/index.php/utilities/system-info-utility
http://trainz.shaneturner.co.uk/tutorials/index.php/utilities/system-info-utility
I agree, I downloaded one route a few weeks ago and made several attempts to run it, and the frame rate was so bad, I felt like I was running it on an 8088 processor with a CGA video card. On the other hand I have a Maine Route by MSGApper , this is terrific, has unreal scenery, and I see frame rates in the 80's most of the time. Alot has to do with the hardware, but some of it has to do with the content you are trying to display.
I find that some of the older flipboard trees and grass clumps and splines are horrific framerate killers. Whenever I see the Perfect series of tress I replace them, and delete the grass.
John
"I downloaded one route a few weeks ago and made several attempts to run it, and the frame rate was so bad, I felt like I was running it on an 8088 processor with a CGA video card"
When comparing TS2009, TS2010, and TS12 that's exactly the kind of route that should be used to test all three, so you can record what, if any, actual difference there is in the framerates. Introducing variables like testing the same route in two versions then upgrading the video driver and testing a totally different route with a different trainset in the third version makes the results completely meaningless, I get better or worse FPS in TS12, so what? I haven't actually compared it to anything since I didn't run the exact same test. Running a route that gets six zillion FPS in all three won't tell you anything either, you need something that challenges the capability of the hardware and graphics engine so you can see if any one of them handles it better than the others. Which it doesn't, TS2009 SP4, TS2010, and TS12 all perform the same on my system for framerates and smoothness - where TS12 is different is mainly in the display quality, it processes alpha transparencies differently.
When comparing TS2009, TS2010, and TS12 that's exactly the kind of route that should be used to test all three, so you can record what, if any, actual difference there is in the framerates. Introducing variables like testing the same route in two versions then upgrading the video driver and testing a totally different route with a different trainset in the third version makes the results completely meaningless, I get better or worse FPS in TS12, so what? I haven't actually compared it to anything since I didn't run the exact same test. Running a route that gets six zillion FPS in all three won't tell you anything either, you need something that challenges the capability of the hardware and graphics engine so you can see if any one of them handles it better than the others. Which it doesn't, TS2009 SP4, TS2010, and TS12 all perform the same on my system for framerates and smoothness - where TS12 is different is mainly in the display quality, it processes alpha transparencies differently.
Check the box in which your PC came or screw your PC open (after turning it off and not having it plugged in to power) and read what is on those things in there. Or ask a friend / parent.
Usually the PC didnt came out of nowhere, so somebody should know what it is and contains
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I also dont have a clue what my PC's hardware is and I dont like to install tools for it, so I got a list of the shop somewhere to check.
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Keep screwing open your PC as a very VERY last option and dont blame me or anyone else if you damage it when checking the inside.
Usually the PC didnt came out of nowhere, so somebody should know what it is and contains
.I also dont have a clue what my PC's hardware is and I dont like to install tools for it, so I got a list of the shop somewhere to check.
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Keep screwing open your PC as a very VERY last option and dont blame me or anyone else if you damage it when checking the inside.
I wouldn't go taking it apart. Windows has a built in checker, lower left corner of the desktop, click Start, then Run. That opens a little dialogue window, type DXDIAG then click the OK button.
That gives you this screen;
With your system specs, click the Display tab to get your video card or chip info;
Quick observation, TS12 calls for a Pentium D 3.4ghz CPU, what you posted previously is a Pentium 4 3.4ghz CPU, which is the previous generation and does not meet minimums or even come close. I'm surprised it would run on a Pentium 4 at all.
That gives you this screen;
With your system specs, click the Display tab to get your video card or chip info;
Quick observation, TS12 calls for a Pentium D 3.4ghz CPU, what you posted previously is a Pentium 4 3.4ghz CPU, which is the previous generation and does not meet minimums or even come close. I'm surprised it would run on a Pentium 4 at all.
Thanks Sniper; I didnt know that.
shaneturner12
Tutorial Creator
I should warn you that DXDiag does have limitations, especially for the Windows Vista,7, and 8 versions. For example, it will only report the highest installed version.
Shane
Shane
Well, I tried Shane's utility and didn't have any problem with it, but if someone can't use that for some reason the DXdiag will at least give the info on the hardware. Other option is Start, My Computer, Properties, Hardware, Device Manager has assorted hardware info, open Display Adapters and it will at least tell you the name of the video card or chip. Forgot who asked now, what problem did you have using Shane's PC information gizmo?
shaneturner12
Tutorial Creator
I'd also like to know the answer to that question, as I have the necessary source code to make any required updates.
Shane
Shane
Dunno what to tell you, I got two computers here with Win XP Media Edition, SP3 on this one and SP2 on the other (all versions of Trainz will run happily on XP SP2, the only reason for the SP3 requirement is the patches). Downloaded your standard PC checkerupperthingamajigger from
http://trainz.shaneturner.co.uk/tutorials/index.php/utilities/system-info-utility
and scanned for viruses (old habit from The Dark Ages Of DOS and Bulletin Boards Before Firewalls, O my children) and it ran with no problems on both systems. I note you have .NET Framework 2.0 listed as a requirement, but one thing I found after reinstalling my son's OS is that Trainz won't run at all unless .NET Framework 2.0 is installed, so if they have a working copy of Trainz it's safe to say they do have that.
http://trainz.shaneturner.co.uk/tutorials/index.php/utilities/system-info-utility
and scanned for viruses (old habit from The Dark Ages Of DOS and Bulletin Boards Before Firewalls, O my children) and it ran with no problems on both systems. I note you have .NET Framework 2.0 listed as a requirement, but one thing I found after reinstalling my son's OS is that Trainz won't run at all unless .NET Framework 2.0 is installed, so if they have a working copy of Trainz it's safe to say they do have that.
shaneturner12
Tutorial Creator
That's what's baffled me. I test all versions of my tool before uploading, and act quickly on any reports of problems with any of my tools.
I have come across instances where users haven't had the right .NET installed though.
Shane
I have come across instances where users haven't had the right .NET installed though.
Shane