That is the worst place on the planet to get advice or opinions. They are all negative there. And you found all of them it seems.
TRS19 - Early Access Is Coming!
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That is the worst place on the planet to get advice or opinions. They are all negative there. And you found all of them it seems.
I remember back in the early 80's buying the occasional console cartridge game for my kids and 70-100$ was the norm. I was making 10$ an hour at that time. 70$ doesn't seem so bad now days for something I get so many hours of enjoyment out of. Just my 10 cents worth, inflation and all. 
amigacooke
Well-known member
We also know that doom has been called on Trainz many times. Yet here we still are.
Tony H's theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMbxCRvEHy4
Substitute the words "TS2019" for any commodities they sing about e.g. strawberries etc.!
Rob.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMbxCRvEHy4
Substitute the words "TS2019" for any commodities they sing about e.g. strawberries etc.!
Rob.
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Why are you trying to stop people from criticizing the Subscription Service?
Well said RRSignal.
Vals_Loeder
Banned
I didn't say I would believe him if the numbers are bad, you are making stuff up and are putting words in my mouth I didn't say, which is a very impolite way to have a discussion.
Which facts? I don't believe either without seeing numbers. Of course they say numbers are good, even when they are not. IF the numbers would be bad they would not say it in order not to immediatly chase away potential costumers and buy time to come up with solutions to make the numbers good. I don't expect anything else from a businees who has just released a new product. You do understand the way businesses work, don't you?
Vals_Loeder
Banned
Which facts? Has N3V shown you the sale numbers? And if they did ... how do you know they are good, or bad? There is no consipracy going on here. Pware mad a statement that the sales numbers are good based on a statement by the company owner. And he beleieves him at face value apparently. Sorry, but I don't. And that is no conspiracy thinking but common sense.
PS: I hope the numbers are good because that would mean more development of the game I like. I just don't like the subscription road N3V is taking and it is my prerogative to have an opinion about it without being called a conspiracy theorist.
rogerayresaol
New member
I agree with Vals but I'm thinking If I were Tony how can I get people to buy 2019 when it's not finished and still has bugs,could it be they put the ticket up knowing very few people will go that way and people want the game badly so they go and pay $70.00 for it ?.
Well, each of us has the right to believe what we want and who we want to believe.
Well I bought the "Early Access" the traditional way at US$69.99. Am completely aware that TRS2019 is 99% finished and that some bugs will probably be lingering in the background waiting for their turn to pounce. Am I disappointed in 2019? - this is definitely a big fat no. How I look at the choices available for purchasing now, is you buy what suits yourself. Perhaps these choices will bring in a lot more trainz fans and that has got to be good doesn't it?
Sometimes I wonder if we need to just sit back and wonder what it would be like without further development of trainz or if we did not have trainz at all. Yes we would not know any different if trainz was not available, but gosh if we put the "at times frustration aside", trainz gives back to us a lot of fun and is a fantastic hobby that can be used in a variety of ways and to the limit of our own imagination.
Like anything new, it takes time to absorb and understand, but as time goes on it will become the norm and we will wonder what we were worried about. Choice is the key.
Okay I have prattled on enough.
Well it seems we have some strong opinions on both sides of the subscription issue. I have no problems with that.
For the record I am not a fan of subscription software. My only one is an antivirus/anti-malware/anti-web-nastiness annual subscription service in which the one subscription covers all my devices. I have MS Office 2013 running on a single computer (with no plans to update it to the latest version) and have no desire to pay the subscription for Office 365, I determined that in the long run it was not worth the total cost. Buying a second full copy of Office for my new laptop was also not an option so I use the free Libre Office equivalent on that. It works just as well for what I need and all my documents and spreadsheets can be edited in both packages.
I am a fan of giving people choices and letting them decide what they want and what they can afford. I applaud N3V for taking the step and offering subscriptions for those who want to use them. I opted to buy the standalone version of TRS19 but other people, from the posts in these forums, have decided that the Gold subscription offer is the best one for them. I can understand that some people do not like the terms, conditions, limitation, pricing, etc of the subscription packages and they have a right to be critical if they want. They can even suggest better alternatives if they have them.
Some criticisms seem to me, at least, to be against the whole idea of subscriptions and this goes back to when the idea was first raised before or shortly after TANE was released. There was a storm of protest back then even though the option was initially being considered only for a new multiplayer surveyor, which has not yet eventuated.
As others have stated in this and other threads, no one is being forced to choose the subscription options if they do not want them or cannot afford them. I do not understand why some of the critics do not want others to make the decision themselves. One poster remarked that because there was a subscription option, he was now leaving Trainz permanently (but he is still posting!). One possible reason is that these people fear that a subscription option will eventually become the only option - that is always possible. The entire computer gaming industry could go that way (and that's speculation!).
For the record I am not a fan of subscription software. My only one is an antivirus/anti-malware/anti-web-nastiness annual subscription service in which the one subscription covers all my devices. I have MS Office 2013 running on a single computer (with no plans to update it to the latest version) and have no desire to pay the subscription for Office 365, I determined that in the long run it was not worth the total cost. Buying a second full copy of Office for my new laptop was also not an option so I use the free Libre Office equivalent on that. It works just as well for what I need and all my documents and spreadsheets can be edited in both packages.
I am a fan of giving people choices and letting them decide what they want and what they can afford. I applaud N3V for taking the step and offering subscriptions for those who want to use them. I opted to buy the standalone version of TRS19 but other people, from the posts in these forums, have decided that the Gold subscription offer is the best one for them. I can understand that some people do not like the terms, conditions, limitation, pricing, etc of the subscription packages and they have a right to be critical if they want. They can even suggest better alternatives if they have them.
Some criticisms seem to me, at least, to be against the whole idea of subscriptions and this goes back to when the idea was first raised before or shortly after TANE was released. There was a storm of protest back then even though the option was initially being considered only for a new multiplayer surveyor, which has not yet eventuated.
As others have stated in this and other threads, no one is being forced to choose the subscription options if they do not want them or cannot afford them. I do not understand why some of the critics do not want others to make the decision themselves. One poster remarked that because there was a subscription option, he was now leaving Trainz permanently (but he is still posting!). One possible reason is that these people fear that a subscription option will eventually become the only option - that is always possible. The entire computer gaming industry could go that way (and that's speculation!).
I purchased the early access version of Trainz. I am experienced with MSTS and Train Simulator(Steam). I am still trying to get my head around this version but so far so good. I have to upgrade my Graphics card(or purchase a new PC) to be able fully understand it's capabilities. Looks real good though. I'm pleased.
KotangaGirl
Pre-Grouping Railways Nut
Hear hear, well said.
amigacooke
Well-known member
I can't claim to have read everything on the forum on the subject of subscription, but I'd suggest that the thrust of the anti message is against compulsory subscription, rather than subscription of itself.
Tony_Hilliam
Trainz Plus - enjoy Trainz from just 20 cents a da
Which is why it is so puzzling that an optional service has caused such a response.
I am hoping that it was mostly based upon people seeing the word "subscription", eyes beginning to bulge, and not reading anything else about the other options.
In short, if you had never read or heard anything about subscription, you would be unaware of it's existence, and therefore as happy as ever with the traditional store option.
amigacooke
Well-known member
I'd suspect they're worried optional subscription will become compulsory subscription, rather like optional DRM has become compulsory DRM.
Unless, of course, you're planning a DRM free version (for macOS as well please this time). RRSignal would be so pleased
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Tony_Hilliam
Trainz Plus - enjoy Trainz from just 20 cents a da
Two completely different beasts
I think there is some truth in that. The options, on first reading, did take a while to digest and I had to think about it for a while before making a decision. Actually, in the end it was a "no brainer" for me since I have so many other subscriptions. :hehe: