And the software can be turned off at any time, for a variety of reasons, regardless whether you operate under the subscription model or the one-time-purchase model. That's where the "buy the house" argument falls flat.
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TRS19 - Early Access Is Coming!
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And the software can be turned off at any time, for a variety of reasons, regardless whether you operate under the subscription model or the one-time-purchase model. That's where the "buy the house" argument falls flat.
amigacooke
Well-known member
The DRM argument is a different one, and appears to be lost now.
May be, may not be as boxed copies will be available when the full version is released. I have DRM free TANE however I can't remember ever actually disabling the online feature, willing to bet their are many the same ;o)
Per the FAQ and a confirmation by Tony, activation every "every month or so" is required. I'm sure many of us would appreciate a DRM-free option.
KotangaGirl
Pre-Grouping Railways Nut
It was only a metaphor.
And I have old game discs in my collection from last century that no longer work because the on-line validation server was shut down years ago; - so I'm well aware that sometimes game companies do fail and/or for various reasons stop trading. You want permanence in your life, - take up stone carving.
Every piece of fixed track asset i use. The standard FT series of curve assets from prjindigo, the S_FT series of straight assets from olegkhim, and the JK series of junctions by Andi06. I have submitted an official bug report on the issue, which has been present since T:ANE SP2. I've gone into detail about the problem in oneor two other threads, so i won't do it here. It's hard to fully explain in a few sentences.
I dunno, just something about TRS2019's lighting is...off. It's much different than T:ANEs, and importing custom routes into it requires a lot of environment tweaking. Not really a complaint per-say, just something that threw me off. Nothing i can't adjust to.
So it's not a problem created by TRS2019 then - it's a lingering issue carried over from changes made to T:ANE SP2 asset validations that involves 3rd party legacy assets from even earlier Trainz builds.
Good that you've bug-reported it, however.
On the lighting front, we now have more options and sliders to modify our environmental lighting settings, which adds somewhat to their complexity, especially since there have been parallel changes made to the Post Processing settings as well.
I found that I had to adjust these Post Processing settings manually too in order to get the ambient lighting and shadows perfected in some of my sessions.
The end result, however, is highly photorealistic - and satisfying - from my perspective.
Good that you've bug-reported it, however.
On the lighting front, we now have more options and sliders to modify our environmental lighting settings, which adds somewhat to their complexity, especially since there have been parallel changes made to the Post Processing settings as well.
I found that I had to adjust these Post Processing settings manually too in order to get the ambient lighting and shadows perfected in some of my sessions.
The end result, however, is highly photorealistic - and satisfying - from my perspective.
Yes, but this is what bugs me. The entire point of a new version of a game like this is to improve the issues of the previous game. TRS2019 fixes many issues, but leaves a lot of larger technical stuff unchanged. It's not really a step up: it's T:ANE 2.
Keep in mind i like both T:ANE (SP1-HF4, specifically) and TRS2019.
There is a lot of validity in that view. The choice with new versions is often between incremental changes or a totally different program. Many of the problems with TANE were caused by older assets so the choice would have been between maintaining compatibility with the past while providing incremental improvements, or a complete break from the past - and many users have argued for the latter. Both approaches have their risks.
As is usual, the solution is to compromise.
rogerayresaol
New member
Hello all I have come up with what I think is a better way to solve the unfairness from nv3 on monthly or yearly payments which is basically asking us to pay for something that we will never actually own.
All those that have a first class ticket pay nothing else until there ticket runs out because they have already paid for that, they get access to all the downloads from 2019 to any version of trainz they require
For those that have not got a first class ticket,I think they should pay £1 a week or £52.00 a year whichever they want for access to all the downloads or they have the option to buy a first class ticket for $200-$300
a number of years.I'm not sure on the pricing part but it's something that can be worked out.
The game 2019 comes down in price to say to around $50.00, a much fairer price for everyone because the game has bugs and even some of the people who have bought it have some complaints.
My suggestion is that we need a group of helpful and understanding players who don't rant and rave about things.Shane Turner is one I would pick as to negotiate and see fairness for both sides shall we say a trainz union.
All prices are negotiable and we should get rid of the silly silver and gold ticket ideas and just have one fct first class ticket.
We should not have to see all the arguing and annoyed people on the forums just because nv3 is being unreasonable about prices. I hope that this seems fair to everybody.
If we have fairer prices then there should be more members playing trainz.
All those that have a first class ticket pay nothing else until there ticket runs out because they have already paid for that, they get access to all the downloads from 2019 to any version of trainz they require
For those that have not got a first class ticket,I think they should pay £1 a week or £52.00 a year whichever they want for access to all the downloads or they have the option to buy a first class ticket for $200-$300
a number of years.I'm not sure on the pricing part but it's something that can be worked out.
The game 2019 comes down in price to say to around $50.00, a much fairer price for everyone because the game has bugs and even some of the people who have bought it have some complaints.
My suggestion is that we need a group of helpful and understanding players who don't rant and rave about things.Shane Turner is one I would pick as to negotiate and see fairness for both sides shall we say a trainz union.
All prices are negotiable and we should get rid of the silly silver and gold ticket ideas and just have one fct first class ticket.
We should not have to see all the arguing and annoyed people on the forums just because nv3 is being unreasonable about prices. I hope that this seems fair to everybody.
If we have fairer prices then there should be more members playing trainz.
I do not see the problem at all.
All those who are accustomed to ordinary purchases have such an opportunity! Here
With the difference between kickstarter is that you get a copy of the game today, and become a beta testers - it's great!
And leave the subscription alone, who wants or who needs it, he will sign and no one will ask permission.
With respect to the price of $ 70 - the world becomes more expensive unfortunately and if you want the development of trainz - support the developer, he is already trying his best to please everyone.
Remember TANE, how the community with its support saved the world of trainz, let's now support, because this is our favorite game!
All those who are accustomed to ordinary purchases have such an opportunity! Here
With the difference between kickstarter is that you get a copy of the game today, and become a beta testers - it's great!
And leave the subscription alone, who wants or who needs it, he will sign and no one will ask permission.
With respect to the price of $ 70 - the world becomes more expensive unfortunately and if you want the development of trainz - support the developer, he is already trying his best to please everyone.
Remember TANE, how the community with its support saved the world of trainz, let's now support, because this is our favorite game!
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Driver_Col
Well-known member
Hi Everyone - I've been following this thread for a while now, and it would appear to have exhausted the mining of ideas. We all have choices which we are free to exercise. Most of us are not responsible for N3V's operations and therefore have questionable basis for telling them how to run their business. Agreed that the "latest and greatest" hype can fall a little short of expectations in reality ... but that is the technology. I worked for many years as user support for a multi-million $$ commercial software program (SAP) .. and that had many issues. The SAP people were resolving them as and when they good, and upgrades were a regular event. In a nutshell ..... TRS2019 is now being marketed with various options. Pick one , or wait awhile .... or find some other interest. Regards. Colin.
There are only a few people here who are claiming that the subscription system, which is now becoming quite common in the software industry, is "unfair". In any case, even when you "buy" software outright you usually do not own it. The End User License Agreement that comes with virtually all software these days that you would have read before you clicked "I Agree" or "Install" (you did read it didn't you?) states that you have purchased a license or the right to use the software which always remains the property of the developer. So subscription or outright purchase, it does not matter - you do not own it.
If you have a first class ticket when you purchase a Gold or Silver subscription you will get a discount on the monthly subscription until the FCT expires, which for some people will be 2036. Not sure what you mean by "all the download" but Gold subscription members get, I believe, 5 free DLC downloads of their choice every month and get a discount on the purchase of any additional DLC downloads each month. Not sure about access to "any version of Trainz" as I have not seen that.
I am sure that eventually it will drop in price. TANE started at a similar price when it was first released and can now be purchased for $US40. Certainly there will be sales every now and then.
As for the bugs, that is expected whenever you buy the first release version of any new software and we were told that the Early Release version of TRS19 would not be 100% complete, it will not have all the built ins, etc. But those who have purchased the early release, such as myself, will get the full retail version upgrade when it is released. But bugs or not, I am extremely happy with my copy of TRS19, far happier than I was with the first copy of TANE.
That gets my vote. But I don't think any negotiation or Shane as a mediator is necessary - it is a very minor flame war.
I disagree completely. They are not silly, they obviously suit some people and, according to Tony, the Gold sales are exceeding all expectations.
Why are you trying to stop people from having a choice? It is their money and their decision.
The point is that for those who don't want and think it's unfair or don't need, such as those of us who mostly create our own stuff and are not obsessed with collecting DLC, nothing has changed, you purchase normally, you buy your FCT's normally, you download from the DLS normally, you purchase DLC if required normally and it won't expire and you don't have any subscription charges, nothing has changed.
If people want to sign up to a subscription service, it's their money, they know what they can afford, arguing the point on here is not going to change anything as it's already a done deal, time to move on and get back to using Trainz.
If people want to sign up to a subscription service, it's their money, they know what they can afford, arguing the point on here is not going to change anything as it's already a done deal, time to move on and get back to using Trainz.
Vals_Loeder
Banned
Do you expect him to say anything else? You can not be that naive.
rogerayresaol
New member
Yes pware how do you know Tony is or is not telling the truth none of us know only him and he is trying to drum up business.
As for my suggestions to me they are fair to everybody,and Tony saying it like only $14.99 gold class as if it's nothing seems to be like overpriced hype.
I could buy the game true but I being a pensioner cant afford it and will not buy at extortionate price.
How about a discount for people who have been buying trainz versions all these years and are pensioners or is that unfair to you as well.
As for my suggestions to me they are fair to everybody,and Tony saying it like only $14.99 gold class as if it's nothing seems to be like overpriced hype.
I could buy the game true but I being a pensioner cant afford it and will not buy at extortionate price.
How about a discount for people who have been buying trainz versions all these years and are pensioners or is that unfair to you as well.
shaneturner12
Tutorial Creator
That's unlikely to happen unfortunately. There is a discount on the subscription side for those who have active First Class Tickets though for the duration of the ticket.
Shane
Again, we know marketers, like politicians, never lie, right?
And if sales were in the toilet, they'd be sure to disclose that fact days into a product launch, right?
You know as well as everyone else that marketing is about hype, and about putting the best face on even the lousiest products. Remember how much Microsoft hyped Zune? HP's Touchpad?