TRS19 - Early Access Is Coming!

What value? What if you don't want all that extra crap for no reason. A rip off in my opinion is when you pay way too much for something that is worth half or 25% of what you paid for it. Yes it can also be when you don't get the item period. I don't think you guys understand that if you overprice anything, very little people will actually spend money on it. It is like Lionel trains today. Their crap is so much money you have to be super rich to buy it just like back in the Great Depression. Their locos are anywhere from $700 - $2000! No one in their right mind would pay that much for a model! I sure wouldn't, that is a rip off. $70 is too much for a video game. I can get 2 brand new pieces of model rolling stock for less then that! It honestly should be competing with Train Sim World. In short, you guys lost to Dovetail with your game being $20 more for, well, no reason.
 
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You haven't explained why we all were promised early access when there was no indication of a class system, a lot of us were waiting for the release only to find that unless you subscribe you can only pre-order and have to wait until September, kind of dampened my enthusiasm having been busy updating some of Content that had problems in the beta so it was ready on the DLS for today and was looking forward to getting the actual early access today rather than the beta which probably won't last until September. Put bluntly disappointed. :(
 
Can you imagine N3V how great this version would go even better if it cost a little less?

You just don't seem to care about the rise of your community. You create a pricey half of the game and another pricey half of the game for your long staying Trainz fans who eat everything you do and say and live with their incoming money. You need to think that there are more popular Train Sim World and Train Simulator, which cost half the price of TRS19. How you wanna get new people? I hope I won't get banned by saying those two games.

As a guy always prefering Trainz since 2008, I'm truly disappointed in extreme pricey direction of Trainz currently going. TRS19 is the best looking train simulator I've ever seen, and this production is ruined just because of a really bad marketing. You didn't learn from your mistakes N3V. RIP

I understand that the price of software raises and it will, but this is a too steep case. Purchasing a Gold Class to get earlier Early Access by 2 weeks is literally an insult to us.
 
dandyz said:
Can you imagine N3V how great this version would go even better if it cost a little less?

I understand that the price of software raises and it will, but this is a too steep case. Purchasing a Gold Class to get earlier Early Access by 2 weeks is literally an insult to us.
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So... If you want cheap, continue to use T:ANE until TRS19 goes on sale.
You're expectations were obviously higher that what N3V are delivering. AND they never said what they were delivering. Sorry your expectations weren't met, but hey, thats life.
I'm very happy with TRS19.
Cheers
Graeme
 
dandyz said:
Can you imagine N3V how great this version would go even better if it cost a little less?

You just don't seem to care about the rise of your community. You create a pricey half of the game and another pricey half of the game for your long staying Trainz fans who eat everything you do and say and live with their incoming money. You need to think that there are more popular Train Sim World and Train Simulator, which cost half the price of TRS19. How you wanna get new people? I hope I won't get banned by saying those two games.

As a guy always prefering Trainz since 2008, I'm truly disappointed in extreme pricey direction of Trainz currently going. TRS19 is the best looking train simulator I've ever seen, and this production is ruined just because of a really bad marketing. You didn't learn from your mistakes N3V. RIP

I understand that the price of software raises and it will, but this is a too steep case. Purchasing a Gold Class to get earlier Early Access by 2 weeks is literally an insult to us.
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I agree, their strategy for marketing this thing is all wrong. Any gullible person or a person with gobs of money will purchase the game right now. N3V really does need to consider competitors. Its not like their the only gaming company making a train simulator, but they sure act like it.
 
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grazlash said:
So... If you want cheap, continue to use T:ANE until TRS19 goes on sale.
You're expectations were obviously higher that what N3V are delivering. AND they never said what they were delivering. Sorry your expectations weren't met, but hey, thats life.
I'm very happy with TRS19.
Cheers
Graeme
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Enjoy your TRS2019 indeed, I'd love to play it too, but remember that you're the one that supports their awful marketing strategy, most hated strategy to be ever known and kills the whole gaming industry... probably... it might become a standard right now to make content as an addition to the game, I don't even know. And paying monthly to have access to that content of the game... WHAAT. I've never seen that with EA even. xD
 
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From all the noise, a casual visitor might think that people were being forced to buy TRS19. Everyone can make their own ROI calculation and if the latest bells and whistles are not worth it, don't buy. Unless you've been beta testing, not sure how you can make an informed opinion on what it's actually worth but that never stopped rumors and speculation. Once the first early adopters report in, we can all learn what it's really like. Then a ROI meaningful calculation can be made. Meanwhile TANE still works as do all the previous versions.
 
I still run TS2009 and I picked up TANE in a sale about two years ago and I'm only just starting to use it now. Most probably I'll do the same with TS2019 and pick it up in a sale three years from now. I really don't give a fig for bundled routes and DLS as it's nothing I'm interested in. Now if a copy of Trainz was released with no routes and no bundled content and just the base game engine along with surveyor I'd buy that like a shot.
 
Still looking to hear from someone on what the boxed version has in it and is it a dvd version with a manual. The $70.00 price could of been higher so be glad that it's not.
 
MTH_ELECTRIC_TRAINS said:
Any gullible person or a person with gobs of money will purchase the game right now. N3V really does need to consider competitors. Its not like their the only gaming company making a train simulator, but they sure act like it.
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Isn't that what the "Free Market" is all about? Letting the market (i.e. the customers) decide what a product is worth? By that I mean the sales figures will give the final result, not the "noise" from those screaming through their megaphones.

From what I have seen of the competition, N3V could have charged a lot more and not needed to worry. As far as I am concerned there is no competition. Without even having a copy (yet) I will predict that TS19 will be the best and most profitable version ever (at least until TS23 is released).

I (a "gulliible" person with "gobs" of money - I wish) will be buying the game as a standalone package when it is released next month, the subscription or gold/silver packages do not interest me - that's the "Free Market" in action.
 
TRS19 is a great idea for N3V, not so sure it's a great idea for the consumer.

For this macOS user there is a clear performance improvement over macTANE on the same hardware. I was expecting to put money on the table today, but having seen the pricing options, I'm borderline hovering between bewildered and disappointed.
 
Good to hear of your Mac performance improvements (and thanks for your testing support - we fixed that startup assertion you reported ;).

It's only great for N3V if sufficient consumers also see it as great. Currently the numbers appear to be going in our favour, with strong Gold Class signups and pre-order sales running well ahead of the TANE day 1 launch. Interestingly for TANE there was a Standard, Deluxe and Collectors Edition option. The average price back then is almost spot on the USD$69 for TRS19 today.
 
Tony_Hilliam said:
Good to hear of your Mac performance improvements (and thanks for your testing support - we fixed that startup assertion you reported ;).

It's only great for N3V if sufficient consumers also see it as great. Currently the numbers appear to be going in our favour, with strong Gold Class signups and pre-order sales running well ahead of the TANE day 1 launch. Interestingly for TANE there was a Standard, Deluxe and Collectors Edition option. The average price back then is almost spot on the USD$69 for TRS19 today.
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As access to TRS19 won't be until September 7th, I can't see much point in choosing the traditional format for a couple of weeks. I'm sure you did your research, I remember the survey, but as someone who is approaching retirement, all monthly outgoing will be severely scrutinised and frankly, however much I would like gold membership, I just can't afford it.

As a macOS user, I'm familiar with being treated as a second class citizen :), but for some Windows users that perception may be a rude shock.
 
Tony, - I can certainly see from the pictures and video that TS2019 looks a lot better, but once again as a UK railways enthusiast there isn't really anything bundled with TS2019 that is of any interest to me. As someone who survives on an Invalid's pension I have to watch my budgeting carefully though with care I'm able to maintain my interest in Trainz which is certainly my main source of entertainment since I'm largely bed-bound these days. If TS2019 did have decent UK content I might have purchased it in two weeks time, but since it doesn't I'll wait to pick it up cheap in a sale.
And on the subscription issue there is really nothing there that's of any interest to me and besides I can't afford it. Some folk who just want to whizz trainz around and don't care what they are might go for a subscription, but there's nothing there at all for the UK railways enthusiast and I'm not alone in feeling that way.
 
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