Trainz the end of an era?

[pware]

What I can't get past is the DLStation. Where else do you get slow speeds like that in this day and age?

I have an FCT but in my experience the speed has a lot to do with my internet connection. I access the DLS from 3 different computers in 3 different locations using the same account. The only difference is the method of access. My main desktop computer is on an ADSL 2+ connection but it is at the very end of the line so I get relatively poor speeds, for both the DLS and the Internet in general. A major update, such as the recent SP2 HF1, can take several hours to download.

A second computer is on a HFC co-axial cable connection and gets much better speeds, about 8-10x faster than my ADSL 2+ for both the DSL and the Intenet. When I use my laptop I connect via a mobile 4G network and get even better speeds but at a higher cost (ISP charges) so it is not as economical.

I am assuming, from your point above, that you do not have an FCT and that is your main complaint.

 

[BlackDiamond1964]

I am assuming, from your point above, that you do not have an FCT and that is your main complaint.

I've had many first class tickets over the years. I also have a cable internet connection. My point is that people should not have to pay for a standard speed. The current set speed without the FC ticket is unacceptable in my view.

 

[Dinorius_Redundicus]

Wow John, what a thread you've started.

If I ever give up on Trainz, it could be due to difficulty in keeping up with the increasing complexity of 3D modelling. Or being forced to learn Blender due to lack of support for Max. Or just running out of creative impetus. Or health problems. Any of those reasons, but certainly not as a protest about cost of a yearly First Class Ticket or the speed of a download (seriously?).


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[BlackDiamond1964]

but certainly not as a protest about cost of a yearly First Class Ticket or the speed of a download (seriously?).

Yes seriously. How many other games sites have set their download speeds so slow just to force you to speed money to buy something faster? I thought you were smarter then that...I guess I was wrong.

 

[pware]

My point is that people should not have to pay for a standard speed. The current set speed without the FC ticket is unacceptable in my view.

What is "Standard Speed"?

The ISP where I use a co-axial cable connection offers several different connection options to the Internet. Their "Standard" connection, the cheapest, is 12MBps download/1MBps upload - that is still 3-4x faster than my ADSL 2+ home connection. Their "Standard Plus", the one used at this location is more expensive at 25MBps download/5MBps upload. The next, which is even more expensive, is 50MBps download/20MBps upload. I would love to be able to use their top 1000MBps download option but it would seriously break my bank even if it was technically possible. The HFC cable at that location has a probable speed limit of about 36 MBps, hence the choice of the 25MBps option - why pay for access speeds you cannot use?

None of these options are "free" - you pay for the speed you want. The FCT users are actually subsidising those who do not have an FCT, a situation that I, as an FCT holder, could easily find to be unfair. Why should I pay for their access? But I fully understand why N3V are offering a free access service - no matter how slow it is.

If you want a faster access to anything then be prepared to pay for it. While we would all like everything to be offered for nothing, ultimately someone has to pay.

 

[davesnow]

Wow John, what a thread you've started.

If I ever give up on Trainz, it could be due to difficulty in keeping up with the increasing complexity of 3D modelling. Or being forced to learn Blender due to lack of support for Max. Or just running out of creative impetus. Or health problems. Any of those reasons, but certainly not as a protest about cost of a yearly First Class Ticket or the speed of a download (seriously?).


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Hear hear....

 

[2995Valliant]

How do we judge smartness? If it's based on content on the DLS then he's over 15 times smarter than you are.

If we judge it on length of time playing the game then he's still over three time smarter.

If we judge it on snide insults thrown freely at people, then you clearly are a genius - problem is it makes your already weak arguments look even poorer. The reasons for this have have been well made by many posters so I won't bore everyone by repeating them, but they have nothing to do with a blind love for N3V, just a different perspective to yours.

To answer your question about download speeds, I can assure you that download speeds for UK Trainsim, the main repository of UK outline MSTS and RW downloads is far slower than the DLS unless you have a subscription. It just may be because somebody, somewhere has to pay for the bandwidth and the helpdesk costs associated with the DLS and FCTs are a way of covering that so perhaps your question should be "Should those who buy a FCT be charged more to better subsidise those who can't/don't?"

Assuming you've ever a written a letter to someone, did you have to pay to get it delivered?

 

[BlackDiamond1964]

What is "Standard Speed"?

You guys don't get it do you? The DLStation is purposely set to an irritatingly slow speed for one reason and one reason only...to get more money from you. I can't dumb it down any more then that. pware-no disrespect to you, but this issue has nothing to do with internet speeds that I get from my IP.

 

[BlackDiamond1964]

How do we judge smartness? If it's based on content on the DLS then he's over 15 times smarter than you are.

If we judge it on length of time playing the game then he's still over three time smarter.

If we judge it on snide insults thrown freely at people, then you clearly are a genius - problem is it makes your already weak arguments look even poorer. The reasons for this have have been well made by many posters so I won't bore everyone by repeating them, but they have nothing to do with a blind love for N3V, just a different perspective to yours.

To answer your question about download speeds, I can assure you that download speeds for UK Trainsim, the main repository of UK outline MSTS and RW downloads is far slower than the DLS unless you have a subscription. It just may be because somebody, somewhere has to pay for the bandwidth and the helpdesk costs associated with the DLS and FCTs are a way of covering that so perhaps your question should be "Should those who buy a FCT be charged more to better subsidise those who can't/don't?"

Assuming you've ever a written a letter to someone, did you have to pay to get it delivered?

Yes I realize that you are trying to bait me into an argument...as I said before that wont work. If you guys what the download speeds to be purposely slow then maybe the fools should be separated from their money. I know I won't be one of them fools.

 

[pware]

You guys don't get it do you? The DLStation is purposely set to an irritatingly slow speed for one reason and one reason only...to get more money from you. I can't dumb it down any more then that. pware-no disrespect to you, but this issue has nothing to do with internet speeds that I get from my IP.

Regardless, that is a fact of modern life. If N3V want to slow a connection (assuming that your claim is correct) purely to force users to pay for a higher speed then since it is their service and they are paying for it, they are entitled to do just that if they want. You don't have to like it and you are not "forced" to pay for an FCT.

Of course, the alternative is to give everyone the maximum possible DLS download speed and make everyone pay for their downloads. Which would you prefer?

 

[cascaderailroad]

And we will all, gladly, go right out again, and buy a new, flawed, version of NEXTT:ANE

 

[dangavel]

You guys don't get it do you? The DLStation is purposely set to an irritatingly slow speed for one reason and one reason only...to get more money from you. I can't dumb it down any more then that. pware-no disrespect to you, but this issue has nothing to do with internet speeds that I get from my IP.

But the cost is hardly extortionate, its $27 a year , but I always wait for a sale, think I got mine for $13 last time. compared to cost of internet and computers needed to run TANE , its a drop in the ocean. if you are strapped for cash, then you learn to wait.
I hardly think its worth getting so furious over, putting it in perspective for the cost of decent graphics card I'd get 10 years of FCT , that's not bad, ( although as I am a 1900-1950s narrow gauger, there's not a lot I can download much of the time . also think of the running costs for NV3 its probably a considerable chunk of their revenue keeping it up and running.

Also, we do get the forums for free, if they were such moneygrubbers , I imagine that they would slap a charge on that too.

Now I DO agree with you re DLS organization, its hard to search and to find items in some categories . yes you can use translators but its a pain on occasions. I've suggested color coding so it would be easier to find the more obscure items as one has to admit, some peoples naming systems are hard to work out and the ones who never ever include screenshots are sadists in the highest degree

if anyone thinks it could not be improved radically , then you probably could be accused of being a fanboy

 

[BlackDiamond1964]

Regardless, that is a fact of modern life. If N3V want to slow a connection (assuming that your claim is correct) purely to force users to pay for a higher speed then since it is their service and they are paying for it, they are entitled to do just that if they want. You don't have to like it and you are not "forced" to pay for an FCT.

Of course, the alternative is to give everyone the maximum possible DLS download speed and make everyone pay for their downloads. Which would you prefer?

What do I prefer? Give me a reason to upload the DLStation. Give me faster speeds, in return I will upload content to it. Hows That?

 

[SailorDan]

You guys don't get it do you? The DLStation is purposely set to an irritatingly slow speed for one reason and one reason only...to get more money from you.

You could look at it from an alternative viewpoint as "The DLS is an optional paid subscription service, but a demonstration version is available to anyone: it has the full range of available assets, but download speed and daily allowance are restricted". I guess it depends on your attitude.

 

[dangavel]

And we will all, gladly, go right out again, and buy a new, flawed, version of NEXTT:ANE

Not me , I'm sticking to this version of TANE for as long as it works on my system , the only reason I upgraded was 2012 slowed down so much I could not stand it anymore on both mac and PC , it was unable to run most routes and rebuilding the database was a utter pain . Meanwhile TANE just freezes on opening on my PC, its the last build not the present one, it too got to the state where it would not work either on mac or pc , forcing my upgrade install on the mac, which then caused several months of angst, but that seems to be behind me now ( fingers crossed ).

. At the moment, this iteration works and its drivable with a 2gb graphic card . if I do finish my current route, thats where it stays too for the foreseeable future, i do not intend to get caught on the upgrade spiral where I spend most of my time fixing assets.

. Although I purchased TANE right from the start , I didn't actually use it for about 2 years and then only when it became untenable to use the last trainz version. Its the same with operating systems, they all have bugs, I wait until most are ironed out, unfortunately with TANE its taken 3 years to get it to being decent

 

[BlackDiamond1964]

You could look at it from an alternative viewpoint as "The DLS is an optional paid subscription service, but a demonstration version is available to anyone: it has the full range of available assets, but download speed and daily allowance are restricted". I guess it depends on your attitude.

I'm looking at it for a content creators view. N3V needs 3rd party creators right? Why should I pay for that service? As I said before there is no real incentive to upload my content. They are cutting off needed content creators for the sake of making some bucks.

 

[pware]

Scott,

That is your decision and N3V do not have to accept your terms/demands for your continued participation. You are free to go elsewhere. I wish you well.

My participation in this thread is ended.

 

[BlackDiamond1964]

Scott, That is your decision and N3V do not have to accept your terms/demands for your continued participation. You are free to go elsewhere. I wish you well.

And so are all other future content creators.

I don't know if this is realized, but I left Trainz a while ago. I only popped back on here to give my thoughts on this topic.

I come up with a valid point and everybody caves. All I get is a corporate response like this in the end. This is why nothing changes here. This is why this franchise will continue to lose supporters and especially lose content creators. Good luck to you! Now my participation in this thread has ended. I can stick my nose straight up in the air too.

 

[CeeBee]

And so are all other future content creators.

I don't know if this is realized, but I left Trainz a while ago. I only popped back on here to give my thoughts on this topic.

I come up with a valid point and everybody caves. All I get is a corporate response like this in the end. This is why nothing changes here. This is why this franchise will continue to lose supporters and especially lose content creators. Good luck to you! Now my participation in this thread has ended. I can stick my nose straight up in the air too.

So you came back to troll. Good job

 

[gawpo50]

Don't let the door slap you on the way out

And to the mods....this thread can be locked...as nothing constructive has come out of it.