Trainz should NOT lag on my PC.

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rastis

3Ds MAX will be my demise
G'day! :wave:

So my new PC seems to handle things quite well, smooth and no stutter. It can run these without lag and all on ultra detail: Modern Warfare 2, Battlefield Play4Free, Company of Heroes: Tales of Valor, Microsoft Flight Simulator X, IL-2 Sturmovik 1946, Rigs of Rods, Left 4 Dead 2 and Minecraft.

But, Trainz12 is different... It lags whenever a large amount of trees, (not speedtrees) are around. It refuses to like grass splines, (eg JVC(M)Grass & Shrubs#4 spline). Other than that, it doesn't lag. But it's annoying all the same, because I spent well over $1000 AUD on this computer. I am guessing it could be the graphics card because apparently, it doesn't have a shader model. Can anyone suggest any solutions? And I've found out, my OS is a 64-bit. I'll have to edit my signature.

Cheers! :)

Jake.
 
Could well be the card, I've just found 2 ASUS EAH 5450 cards and non were over £40.
Radeon 5450's are similar price.
Surely they've not put those in a new comp.
If you have the option try putting scenery detail to low in video settings. Throw a bit of good weather fog in as well.
 
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Unconfirmed rumor, Nvidia likes OpenGL, ATI likes DirectX. Dunno if that's true but try changing from OpenGL to DirectX.
 
Definitely a rumour I have several Nvidia cards they are all better with DirectX, in fact on the older cards OpenGL is unusable with Trainz.
 
fran1 said:
Tis just rumor, My Nvid runs better FPS with DX.
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It depends upon the age of the cards and the driver. The latest cards like DX better than Open/GL, the older cards did not.

@Rastis

This is definitely a video card issue, and is caused by the high-load that the older trees put on the system.

Try cloning the route and changing the flipboard alpha-blended trees with some Speed Trees and see if this makes the difference.

Also why is the company using such an old video card, unless this is one you had lying around?

The latest series of ATI cards have much better through-put. I currently have a 6970 and a 5570 (laptop), and they have no problems handling the graphics. And.. your system is definitely overall more than capable of handling the program.

John
 
rastis said:
G'day! :wave:

So my new PC seems to handle things quite well, smooth and no stutter. It can run these without lag and all on ultra detail: Modern Warfare 2, Battlefield Play4Free, Company of Heroes: Tales of Valor, Microsoft Flight Simulator X, IL-2 Sturmovik 1946, Rigs of Rods, Left 4 Dead 2 and Minecraft.

But, Trainz12 is different... It lags whenever a large amount of trees, (not speedtrees) are around. It refuses to like grass splines, (eg JVC(M)Grass & Shrubs#4 spline). Other than that, it doesn't lag. But it's annoying all the same, because I spent well over $1000 AUD on this computer. I am guessing it could be the graphics card because apparently, it doesn't have a shader model. Can anyone suggest any solutions? And I've found out, my OS is a 64-bit. I'll have to edit my signature.

Cheers! :)

Jake.
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Be more selective in what you run?

The other examples you have quoted have professional people with a poly budget and texture budget per screenshot. Trainz doesn't.

Splines are a particular problem with TS2009 and later and should probably be avoided.

If it helps I guaranty I can set up a layout and select the right rolling stock to bring any computer to its knees.

By the way there is a feature in TS12 to identify resource hungry assets, replacing these can improve the performance substantially.

Cheerio John
 
G'day! :wave:

The company that built my PC told me that card was the newest on the market. Again, my computer doesn't like Speedtrees, so there goes that idea. I don't think speedtrees match Trainz.

Cheers! :)

Jake.
 
Euphod said:
What's older John? What's the cut off point? C'mon, don't be a tease!;)
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You know us IT guys, Ed. We say vague geek things to confuse the user. LOL :)

Seriously though, it seems to be those cards before the 400 and 500 series. Perhaps it was the older chips that didn't have the through-put either, or maybe it was coincidental that NVidia now seems to get their act together with their latest drivers so their cards work better. At any rate, as long as it works, this is what counts.

Right now I no longer run an NVidia card. I have a fairly new (a few months perhaps), 470-based PNY monster sitting in a box. I decided to take the plunge back to ATI after many years of using NVidia mostly because they run a lot cooler than the equivalent NVidia product.

I swapped to NVidia initially because a graphics program I was using would not run well on an ATI card due to their shoddy Open/GL handling. Now this no longer seems to be the case with the latest cards.

John
 
Actually I think the changeover may have happened even earlier. 8000- and even some 9000-series seem to play well with OpenGL. My 8400GS on my old computer had a definite affinity for OpenGL OTOH, my GT240 prefers DX9.
 
rastis said:
G'day!

So my new PC seems to handle things quite well, smooth and no stutter. It can run these without lag and all on ultra detail: Modern Warfare 2, Battlefield Play4Free, Company of Heroes: Tales of Valor, Microsoft Flight Simulator X, IL-2 Sturmovik 1946, Rigs of Rods, Left 4 Dead 2 and Minecraft.
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The first thing you need to do is to forget how those games with up to date game engines handle system resources, then think back to PC games in the year 1999, then the lag and poor graphics should all make sense to you.
 
I swapped to NVidia initially because a graphics program I was using would not run well on an ATI card due to their shoddy Open/GL handling. Now this no longer seems to be the case with the latest cards.
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AMD/ATI's shoddy OpenGL support varies from driver revision to driver revision, not just the GPU.
 
djt said:
AMD/ATI's shoddy OpenGL support varies from driver revision to driver revision, not just the GPU.
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The issue was about 6 or 7 years ago, and being burned at the time meant losing some hard to earn cash. The issue was enough to cause BSODs and lock-ups with the program.

Today they seemed to have fixed the issue so I went back to ATI, but I'm no longer in that side of the business anymore either, so it doesn't matter.

John
 
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