Trainz Questions

[Kris94]

Is it illegal to get payware trains, clone them and then put them on the download station. Or get them for free from a website then clone them and then put them on the DLS? Reason why I ask is because I'm trying to develope some ordinary routes into premium Trainz Content and create some activities onto the DLS for people to use and have fun with.

 

[PereMarquette1225fan]

Is it illegal to get payware trains, clone them and then put them on the download station. Or get them for free from a website then clone them and then put them on the DLS?

It probably is illegal. This is because the users who make the equipment you have to pay for takes a long time.

 

[gary6204]

yes, it is highly illegal. its the same thing as you going into the grocery store and stealing a gallon of milk and giving it to someone else

 

[J_Taylor]

Is it illegal to get payware trains, clone them and then put them on the download station. Or get them for free from a website then clone them and then put them on the DLS?

Not only is it Illegal , it is also wrong.
Payware creators put a lot of time and effort into making the engines/routes/whatever and if they get stolen then they lose motivation to make more high quality products.
So don't.

 

[pommie]

After reading your last few posts I think you need to read the CoC of these forums.

Just in case you cannot find them as they are hard to find,

Cheers David

 

[Wessex_Electric_Nutter]

Is it illegal to get payware trains, clone them and then put them on the download station.

Copyright law.... hmmm, be careful where you tread here.

Yes, that is illegal, gets you into a lot of trouble and you would have a very difficult court case on your hands. Sentencing can be anything from fines in lost revenue to imprisonment for x number of years.

Its a good idea to check the individual contents End User License Agreement, if it says don't distribute it, DON'T. If the content doesn't have an EULA, DON'T REDISTRUBITE IT. Simple.

Or get them for free from a website then clone them and then put them on the DLS?

Yes, that is illegal, gets you into a lot of trouble and you would have a very difficult court case on your hands. Sentencing can be anything from fines to imprisonment for x number of years.

Its a good idea to check the individual contents End User License Agreement, if it says don't distribute it, DON'T. If the content doesn't have an EULA, DON'T REDISTRUBITE IT. Simple.

Reason why I ask is because I'm trying to develope some ordinary routes into premium Trainz Content and create some activities onto the DLS for people to use and have fun with.

Premium content..... does that mean you are going to charge for the content when we have no ideas what you are capable of making? Don't get me wrong, but you need to build trust and a reputation first. Free is a different matter, as if it is your content and put it on the DLS, everyone can see what you have made.

 

[airtime]

Is it illegal to get payware trains, clone them and then put them on the download station. Or get them for free from a website then clone them and then put them on the DLS? Reason why I ask is because I'm trying to develope some ordinary routes into premium Trainz Content and create some activities onto the DLS for people to use and have fun with.

yes, it is highly illegal. its the same thing as you going into the grocery store and stealing a gallon of milk and giving it to someone else

I am sorry, but this confuses the heck out of me, Now before anyone jumps on me, I do support the content creators 100%, as without them, we would not have superb quality content for Trainz. I am against anyone using someone elses item and claiming it's there own, as this is just bad manners and very disrespectful to the creator.

However, stealing a pint of milk and giving it to someone else is illegal, as you stole the milk in the first place,

But if you buy the milk, then only give half of it to someone else, that must be the same as buying an item and reskining it, your not giving them the main item (the pint of milk), your giving them a different item (half a pint of milk).

So this means, if you buy a car from a car company, and the paintwork is a bit damaged or not to your liking, you cannot change the colour, even though the car is legally yours, as you bought it. And if you did paint it in a different colour, you can't sell it or give it away.

This is were it doesn't make sense, now I have probably opened a can of worms here.

I do understand the content creators feelings on this, as they have put in a lot of hours, weeks, months to create the item they want, whether they release the item is entirely up to them, and they should not be forced or put up against a wall, if the don't release it.

PLEASE NOTE: The above statement is not a way around - If anyone is considering reskining an item for Trainz or any other simulator, please contact the creator of the item first, and seek permission FIRST before either reskining or uploading the finished item to any website.

Joe Airtime

 

[pommie]

The milk analogy is a bad one, the truth of the matter is that you do not own a 3dmesh (unless it was done for you), you only have the right to use that item for personal use, repeat personal use.
This is exactly the same as music and movies, you only buy the right to personal listening/viewing, you do not own them.
The only time anyone can redistribute, whether modified or not, is when the creator gives permission in the licensing, note that if there is nothing in the license to that effect it means permission is not given.
This is not open to debate, it is how the copyright laws stand in most countries, if you do not agree to that then get the laws changed, but until you do, they are what they are.
And before the smarter ones amongst us start pointing out ridiculous grey area's, there are none, in this area they are black and white, unless permission is expressly given there can be no redistribution.

Cheers David

 

[Kris94]

Premium as freeware content but with payware quality work and effort involved

 

[Kris94]

What I mean is if I get permission from the author to include in a package that I want to put on the DLS for everyone who finds to use it and have fun with it, would that still be considered illegal even with permission?

 

[Wessex_Electric_Nutter]

What I mean is if I get permission from the author to include in a package that I want to put on the DLS for everyone who finds to use it and have fun with it, would that still be considered illegal even with permission?

Nothing wrong with permission, but get written permission first.

 

[chuffbuff]

What I mean is if I get permission from the author to include in a package that I want to put on the DLS for everyone who finds to use it and have fun with it, would that still be considered illegal even with permission?

No, if you have gained the original Author's of His/Her permission to alter their content for redistribution to the DLS, then all should be fine.

It is most essential to provide credit to the original author for their work in order to re-upload their asset, this has to be briefly mentioned in the description including the change's you have made.


chuffy

 

[airtime]

The milk analogy is a bad one, the truth of the matter is that you do not own a 3dmesh (unless it was done for you), you only have the right to use that item for personal use, repeat personal use.
This is exactly the same as music and movies, you only buy the right to personal listening/viewing, you do not own them.
The only time anyone can redistribute, whether modified or not, is when the creator gives permission in the licensing, note that if there is nothing in the license to that effect it means permission is not given.
This is not open to debate, it is how the copyright laws stand in most countries, if you do not agree to that then get the laws changed, but until you do, they are what they are.
And before the smarter ones amongst us start pointing out ridiculous grey area's, there are none, in this area they are black and white, unless permission is expressly given there can be no redistribution.

Cheers David

The 3D mesh copyright makes sense, thank you Pommie for explaining this, this is were copyright law can get you, you are right.

Many thanks David for your detailed reply

Joe Airtime

 

[Wolfie7AU]

Nothing wrong with permission, but get written permission first.

...and by written permission, an "e-mail saying it's ok" is not enough, a legally signed affidavit (def.) would be best to ensure you're covered.

The short answer is, avoid using payware assests in freeware content, then you side-step a lot of pain for yourself.

 

[Wessex_Electric_Nutter]

...and by written permission, an "e-mail saying it's ok" is not enough, a legally signed affidavit (def.) would be best to ensure you're covered.

It however, maybe an unnecessary step as there are always tell-tale signs of when a document is forged. It might be better to consult a solicitor however.

 

[Moranbrown]

How do i change My bits in Trainz Paint Shed (TPS) ?

 

[Wessex_Electric_Nutter]

How do i change My bits in Trainz Paint Shed (TPS) ?

Please explain a bit more.