Trainz "Next" is announced...

[martinvk]

We've been over this before. You pay far more for the same product over time. In fact, quite often over a relatively short cycle, and thus well within typical software lifecycles, often less than 2 years. That's *why* software manufacturers are moving to SaaS models in the first place.

Depends on the ratio between subscription and full price. Only with real numbers can this be settled. Still, it is always less expensive if you bailout early for whatever reason.

Not really; having Trainz perform decently because I don't need A/V software, a firewall, etc. bogging my system down is kind of a necessity.

Fair enough, if your system can't handle it. Not everyone has that issue.

 

[RRSignal]

Depends on the ratio between subscription and full price. Only with real numbers can this be settled.

And it's more expensive if you stay in, even for a fairly short time.

Still, it is always less expensive if you bailout early for whatever reason. Fair enough, if your system can't handle it. Not everyone has that issue.

Actually, my system handles Trainz pretty well, for it's specs. When people were whining about getting 20fps with TS2010, I was getting 50-60. Because I don't have all the background noise wasting resources. With T:ANE, I run pretty respectable numbers (30-60fps on average, no shadows) even with 8-12km draw distances, while many people with GTX980s are complaining that T:ANE runs like a slideshow. Again, because I don't have the network/anti-virus/firewall junk running in the background.

It might even be funny were it not for the fact that many of these folks are laying down almost as much on the GPU as I laid down on the entire machine 3.5 years ago.

 

[nathanmallard]

So right, there's been a misunderstanding.
So from what I've read, the subscription model is only for the multiplayer surveyor, and you pay upfront for the base game just like you would any other version of Trainz. And instead of multiple people just randomly wading in to your surveyor sessions, you invite them in.
I have no problem with that, if so, but subscription for the base game is still a big no-no.

 

[ish6]

It is for me at present, problem is, there are millions of people out there that think 50p (70 cents roughly) is nothing, well when
you ain't even got 50p to call your own, it's a bloody big deal.
Not all of us are currently working, some of us (like me) due to IDS & his "Benefit Reforms", can't even get 'Jobseekers Allowance', so
have absolutely NO income, but because of government rules, we STILL have all our living expenses to pay.

Hello, sir ..

Martin basically said it;

However, may I add that comparing real life to trainz just doesn't make sense. Trainz is a game, which at anytime anyone here can shelf, and forget about it -- But real life, not to easy to just forget about it. I know I sound vague, because I can sympathize with your, sir ... etc!

All in all, back to trainz ... I just feel (I've said it a million times) folks are just over reacting to this subscription; But it does not surprise me, because folks in these forums always over react to announcements. anyhow ... In many ways, it's humorous and interesting, but it can divide the forum somewhat.

Me. I tried to keep them in perspective.

All this drama for a subscription amount that can easily be a buck, etc ... we just don't know ... I don't think Tony knows either!

Kind Regards :wave:
Ish

 

[clam1952]

So right, there's been a misunderstanding.
So from what I've read, the subscription model is only for the multiplayer surveyor, and you pay upfront for the base game just like you would any other version of Trainz. And instead of multiple people just randomly wading in to your surveyor sessions, you invite them in.
I have no problem with that, if so, but subscription for the base game is still a big no-no.

I think you may be right however it really needs explaining clearly so there is no confusion or assumptions made.

 

[meatloaf747]

"Chicken Little" tried to convince everyone that the sky was falling in. Hello, the sky isn't falling in.

NV3 has "thrown out there" some idea's about the possible/probably direction that some parts of Trainz might be heading. Some of their idea's may hatch, others may stay shell bound. Only time will tell... In the meantime, it's not costing to much to feed the chickens...

If you don't like the possible direction they (N3V) are heading, then by all means express your concerns & opinions. There's a big different between expressing your interests and concerns, over "doom & gloom"...

One thing is for sure, N3V aren't going to be putting a gun to anyone head and forcing them to buy the next "Trainz" offering. Whatever it maybe...

If it interests you, by all means buy it and support N3V. If you don't like whats on offer, don't buy it.

If enough of the community don't buy, then don't moan and b_tch if N3V dump any further development of Trainz, shut down the servers, and or close their doors...

As many people in the forum have already concluded. N3V is a business that needs a constant revenue stream to keep the doors open. Even a 14 year old can understand that. Simple ABC's of the commercial world.

For the record, no, I'm not a Tony/N3V fan boy. Just someone that wants to see Trainz's continue to grow and continue to be developed. I've enjoyed the journey so far over the last 14 years & hope to continue to enjoy Trainz over the next 14 years...

Also for the record, Trainz is the cheapest hobby I've ever had...

Cheers, Mac...

 

[matruck]

Yep good call fanboy

If you don't like the possible direction they (N3V) are heading, then by all means express your concerns & opinions. There's a big different between expressing your interests and concerns, over "doom & gloom"...

Way more then enough people voiced and expressed their opinions on Tane which was supposed to be the greatest of all and look where we ended up with that, Because of the fanboy attitude of sum here this forum along with N3V has become an absolute joke.
Mick.

 

[torino72]

With Trainz since at least 2004 (I never saw the earlier versions) each new version has come with many problems. Auran and now N3V addresses this by fixing some and then moving forward to the next "latest-greatest" and the cycle repeats itself. I own TS12 but use it only to DL content to be backdated to 2010. If I ever own TANE it will be only for the same purpose. As for the proposed new version, I frankly did not understand much of what is supposed to be so great about it. I oppose a "cloud" based game that does not actually reside on my hard drive and that may become "vaporware" at any time. That I might make route changes (along with everyone else) to a remote route with the "owner" deciding what will/will not be allowed/kept makes no sense to me. As I said, TANE has yet to become a great success and has many unresolved issues, so folks have posted. If you cannot fix what you have already released why should I trust that you can develop/support a newer (and far more complex) game? I personally have no intent to buy into this concept. "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." I also see poor internet bandwidth (DL speeds) being an issue for much of the world, including areas outside major metropolitan areas of the USA.

 

[ish6]

Also for the record, Trainz is the cheapest hobby I've ever had...

Cheers, Mac...

So true... so true ...

Regards
Ish

 

[cascaderailroad]

Yea ... I want to pay more please

 

[Vern]

So true... so true ...

Regards
Ish

Oh really... I would hardly say the £1000 (for a decent computer), another (say) £800 for a semi decent laptop, an ongoing internet subscription, annual FCT and various other expenses (e.g. research material) is exactly "cheap"! For that I could comfortably decorate the house from top to bottom, update the laminate flooring and probably have change left over for a few items in the garden. Of course, the PC and laptop come in handy for other things (such as running decent train sims like MSTS, OpenBVE, Run 8 and TS2016) but - "Sir" - it still comes at a price some people might struggle to pay and adding an ongoing subscription to that - "Sir" - is not good practice for your customers. And, while we can only speculate at this stage how much the fee will be, I doubt it will be as cheap as 50p or even the equivalent of a bi-annual re-purchase of the latest emperor's new clothes Trainz edition.

Of course if you want to throw your money at N3V like a good little fanboy then that is your choice, but some of us are a bit more discerning with our hobby cash!

 

[cascaderailroad]

You can bet that the the subscription will be $39.99, or more

You can bet that they won't be offering a Lifetime Subscription for $114.99

Just like a 1 year FCT jumped from $19.99, to $24.99, to $34.99

 

[Vern]

You can bet that the the subscription will be $39.99, or more

You can bet that they won't be offering a Lifetime Subscription for $114.99

Just like a 1 year FCT jumped from $19.99, to $24.99, to $34.99

Well luckily I had a 20% off coupon lurking for my renewal which brought it down to AUS$27.99 (GBP £14.00), which is about the price of one box of cheap laminate flooring planks from Homebase!

Oh BTW ref my comments above, should add to the list TS12 (49922) and TS2010 as worthwhile simulations to run on the expensive hardware!

 

[martinvk]

When did home renovation become a hobby? They must have cheap decorating supplies if a whole house can be done for the price of a computer and laptop.

Be that as it may, hobbies are by definition a cost with the only payback in the satisfaction you get out of them. Ask the person who spends over $1200 on a single HO locomotive and there are no tracks to run on nor cars to pull for that price.

Someone sounds like

a good little fanboy

always schilling for those other sims like MSTS, OpenBVE, Run 8 and TS2016.

 

[Vern]

When did home renovation become a hobby? They must have cheap decorating supplies if a whole house can be done for the price of a computer and laptop.

Well it is a fairly essential "hobby" if you own your own house and finishing the laminate flooring in a room brings quite the sense of satisfaction at a job well done. As regards cost, there are plenty of places to get materials at a discount if you shop around and self installation cuts out the middle man.

Anyhow back to the point in hand, just because one could afford N3V's little proposed pyramid scheme doesn't say one should - if you shelled out subscriptions to everything here and there you certainly wouldn't be able to before long. The mortgage I pay monthly, gas, electric and phone bills I make a monthly payment as they are essentials or utilities, but I'm not bloody well playing monthly to access a computer game which in all likelihood will be just as dire as TANE (unless N3V are bringing in different programmers or outsourcing it ).

 

[boc61]

When did home renovation become a hobby?

It's a hobby for me. I just had my bathroom redone. I hired someone to do the work while I sat and played Trainz for 3 days.

 

[phimat]

Painted part of a wall last year; the bucket of paint stills waits patiently for me, congealing slowly slowly...

Anyway, thought I'd try to prise the fanboys away from their (supplied?) prompt cards by approaching the Next phenomenon from a different tack.

First, I had wanted to compare the image used to introduce TANE back in 2014 with what is meant to characterise the next version - but cannot find a copy of it anywhere (new day dawning, front of steamer to left, radiant golds and green everywhere else). So I will pass on to picking over the flattened oval that is supposed to express the excitement and whatever else NEXT is going to bring into our lives.

So, the image itself:



Now, compare this with the freshness and promise of the TANE image, which was hugely influential in drawing so much support for what was a new departure in the Trainz franchise. In the Next image, the colours are muddy and dull. They are arranged in a random way without the dynamic development possible with the spectrum. There are four "betters"; three are the same (cold) blue, while the last "better" begins the diarrhetic sequence that leads to the (sickly) green "happier customers". The distribution of slogans is asymmetrical, so that one of the slogan occupies twice the area of the others in the straight segments - the slogan moreover that is daubed in full excrementality(!). (Obviously a sublimated comment on nev's actual inability to do this with any success.)

This piece of throwaway junk is supposed to represent "a positive feedback loop that drives" etc etc.

In fact the whole Next proposition speaks of weariness and burn-out, a complete loss of conviction and committment. What it says is:

GIVE US YOUR MONEY AND WE WILL GIVE YOU... well, you can see for yourself what they will give you.

Trainz needs new blood. Hopefully nev will be man enough to see that.

 

[torino72]

NEXT is a big step forward in technology. If N3V cannot keep the "simple" DLS (payware for the FCT) up and running at a high level of confidence how can we expect them to do likewise with something even more complicated? I see a bad moon arising!!

 

[shaneturner12]

NEXT is a big step forward in technology. If N3V cannot keep the "simple" DLS (payware for the FCT) up and running at a high level of confidence how can we expect them to do likewise with something even more complicated? I see a bad moon arising!!

If I remember correctly N3V said they are already looking into that.

Shane

 

[ish6]

Of course if you want to throw your money at N3V like a good little fanboy then that is your choice, but some of us are a bit more discerning with our hobby cash!

Of course, everything you just said it's by choice!

If you can't don't buy it --- VERY simple!!!

Everyone situation for everyone is different ... if you can't, hey, life goes on ... if you can, life still goes on!

If Trainz "Next" fits my needs then I'll get it, no big deal -- If not, I'll skip it, no big deal ... a simple choice that we all have!

Fan boy?, OMG, you people really don't read posts!
However, it seems you've registered more trainz products then I have! Your 9 to my 7!
Still, we're all fan boys on one level, or another! Duh! :hehe:
Anyway, there's nothing else here!

Ish