Trainz destroyed my trainz

[F2Andy]

This has happened two me twice now in less than two months. Trainz has saved a blank session over my carefully set up schedule with around 25 interacting trains. The first time I assumed I had loaded up the layout without the session, and saved that (and what sort of design decision was it to make that so easy?). Since then I have carefully checked there is some rolling stock around before I save so I know I loaded the session (specifically, I saw a class 304 EMU, two minerral wagons and a brake van; all disappeared when I went into driver mode). This is not a bad design decision and me being careless, this is the software screwing up.

 

[shaneturner12]

I have a feeling that when you loaded the route without the session then saved, somehow it saved the default session (the one without any rollingstock).

Shane

 

[ct_krogen]

man, one thing i found out once you get a session like you want it,,, make a back up of it..

 

[F2Andy]

I have a feeling that when you loaded the route without the session then saved, somehow it saved the default session (the one without any rollingstock).

Shane

Maybe the first time, but since then I have carefully checked that there is rolling stock on the track. This time the rolling stock was there, so I know I loaded the session.

 

[Dermmy]

Golden rule for a complicated session: NEVER use 'Save', ALWAYS use 'Save As'.

'Save' overwrites the previous version. Sooner or later something is going to go wrong, either operator error or a program snaffoo. 'Save' will lose you the lot.

'Save As' creates a new copy of the route/session and leaves the session you loaded unaltered. When things go wrong, you simply re-load the previous save and life goes on...

Andy

 

[schweitzerdude]

Re saving routes and sessions

I have struggled with this in TS2010 and either use "save as" or I make sure I save a session with a new name,such as Routename-1, then Routename-2. Even so strange things seem to happen at times. At times, TS2010 will save 2 versions of a route with the same name, and then, once you find the right one, you can't delete the unneeded route, only disable in CM. I also have found that when this happens, you can't delete a session, which then prevents you from deleting that route.

I was disappointed that patching TS2010 from build 42203 to 44088 did not eliminate this problem, although now autosave works, so overall going to 44088 was a net plus.

Has the saving funkiness been solved in TS12? I would like to move to TS12 at some point but I need to see this problem solved first.

 

[sniper297]

I generally save both route and session to a CDP file at least once a day, giving it the date as the name, 0625.cdp for today.

That said, I haven't seen any real practical use for layers. I understand the theory, but for normal routebuilding it's really not needed. Theoretically you're supposed to save as new route and session, and from then on always edit the route by entering from the edit session menu, but my experience has been it all too often wants to save new route and session, which means I have to clone and edit any other test sessions I have to use the new map KUID. So the way I do it is edit the route by selecting edit route, never touch trains. Edit session by edit session, never touch anything except trains, never the twain shall meet, no potential for confusion about exactly what I'm editing and saving. Always exit back to the main menu to make sure I'm at where I think I'm at, I don't even use quick drive from the editor anymore since that tends to screw stuff up too.

 

[colourlight]

I always use "edit route" when working on track, signalling, track markers and buildings and if I need one, a locomotive for layout testing. When I,ve completed that I create a new session to set up the interactive industries and place loco's and rolling stock. As insurance you can always create a new session at the end of each session if that makes sense, lol.

 

[Dermmy]

As insurance you can always create a new session at the end of each session if that makes sense, lol.

No - the point is you can't!

OK - if the 'session' is one test train it's easy.

But if the 'session' contains the settings for 50 ATLS crossings, 125 of Maddy's YARN intersections, 25 interactive industries and a carefully thought-through morning peak-hour urban train tram and bus activity with 37 programmed AI drivers you just gotta be kidding.

A guaranteed crash-while-saving back-up plan is mandatory in a situation like that...

Andy