Trainz 2022 Specs

Q_Canon22

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I recently considered upgrading from a laptop to a PC and I was wondering if my choice will fair well for Trainz22 as well as what to expect as far as performance. Here are the PC's specs:

17" ASUS ROG Gaming Desktop & 24" OMEN Monitor​

-RAM 16GB DDR5
-GPU NVIDIA RTX 3050 (8GB DDR6)
-AMD Ryzen 7 5700G w/ 20MB cache
-1TB M.2 PCIe SSD
 
https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu_list.php the GPU has a 3D score of 12,854 which is respectable but I'd prefer to see 15,000 and up these days. I can run TS22 on low end laptop with a 3D score of 350 if I choose the content very carefully.

I think an RTX 4060 is a favoured GPU at the moment at $300 at Newegg.com. Chassis something with a big power supply and a largish case helps cooling leds don't really add much. Dellrefurbished.com often have tower 5820 workstations and semi decent GPUs but check the 3D score first. The nice thing about them is you can drop in a better GPU when you're feeling rich so they last a bit longer. Also you'll want to add more disk space over time and sometimes a box store system doesn't have the power supply or room for expansion and that's a big advantage that desktops have over laptops.

Memory I'd prefer to see 16 gigs at least, having said that at the low end it probably will be fine.

I make no comment on the AMD Ryzen CPU as I can't keep track of their naming convention.

Cheerio John
 
You should be fine with that system as far as Trainz is concerned. You would get a better system if you can find a RTX 3070 as the 3050 is the low end of the 3000 series. The 3070 is the sweet spot to me in the 3000 series and give you about 4 times the performance, That is an oddly configured system. The bottleneck is going to be the Ryzen 7 5700G, an 5700X would be better with DDR5 RAM. I'd make sure the motherboard has empty M.2 slot if possible. Modern games will fill up a 1 TB drive in a hurry. But all of that can be done later if the price is right for that system now. I would expect that system to be around $600 to 700.
 
A 3070 has a benchmark score of 22,384 price around $520 on Newegg.com

An RTX 4060 8 gigs 19,573 under $300

An RTX 4060 8 gigs TI 22,935 $370

The RTX 4000 series has lower power consumption which means it is easy to cool and cheaper to run.

RTX 3060 12 gigs 17,033 $260

My gut feel is 8 gigs of memory is a bit on the light side with PBR textures etc.

Cheerio John
 
Renewed 3070s go for around $350 to 375 on Amazon. I think he is looking at prebuilt systems since there are lot of prebuilts offering 3050 cards these days for around the price point I suggested. Not everyone can afford a high end gaming rig these days. My concern is the CPU is about 4 years old and would limit a 4000 series card in its performance. So I would buy the system as is if it is a good price and add parts as I could afford them. I would upgrade the CPU first.
 
Looking at amazon my guess would be the price would be around $1,000. Would a better question be what would $1,000 buy in a different configuration?

Cheerio John
 
I'm still on a measly GTX 1080, and it works fine for what I use it for with TRS 2022 PE. The thing that is keeping it working good for me is the migration from i7 4790K / DDR3 1866 / SATA3 SSD over to i5 12400F / DDR5 6000 / NVme M.2 SSD. It made me think twice before considering a GPU upgrade. The CPU that I have now does not have to deal with the problems the highest end 13th and 14th generation i9 CPUs have.
 
I'm still on a measly GTX 1080, and it works fine for what I use it for with TRS 2022 PE. The thing that is keeping it working good for me is the migration from i7 4790K / DDR3 1866 / SATA3 SSD over to i5 12400F / DDR5 6000 / NVme M.2 SSD. It made me think twice before considering a GPU upgrade. The CPU that I have now does not have to deal with the problems the highest end 13th and 14th generation i9 CPUs have.
3d score 15,539 so it's up there strangely enough. I think picking out the right content and not maxing the sliders is the way to go. My 2070 has a score of 16,161 and I'm quite happy with it.

Cheerio John
 
3d score 15,539 so it's up there strangely enough. I think picking out the right content and not maxing the sliders is the way to go. My 2070 has a score of 16,161 and I'm quite happy with it.

Cheerio John
I have an RTX 3080 in my Dell desktop PC I got a year ago. This video card is quite capable of high slider settings and I dial those back anyway. That video card though, like the rest of the 30xx series run really hot. By lowering the slider settings, I can keep the heat down and still have decent graphics.
 
You should be fine with that system as far as Trainz is concerned. You would get a better system if you can find a RTX 3070 as the 3050 is the low end of the 3000 series. The 3070 is the sweet spot to me in the 3000 series and give you about 4 times the performance, That is an oddly configured system. The bottleneck is going to be the Ryzen 7 5700G, an 5700X would be better with DDR5 RAM. I'd make sure the motherboard has empty M.2 slot if possible. Modern games will fill up a 1 TB drive in a hurry. But all of that can be done later if the price is right for that system now. I would expect that system to be around $600 to 700.
The PC will be bought brand new. Is there still a chance of the motherboard not having an empty M.2 slot even with it being completely new? If so, what would I need to do to ensure the motherboard's slot is emptied?
 
I have an RTX 3080 in my Dell desktop PC I got a year ago. This video card is quite capable of high slider settings and I dial those back anyway. That video card though, like the rest of the 30xx series run really hot. By lowering the slider settings, I can keep the heat down and still have decent graphics.
My biggest concern is how the setup will respond with Clutter and Turf-FX. I recently "discovered" how much better it makes a route and I'm hoping that this can be enjoyed at a reasonable fps without the jittery gameplay. The problem is that, when the game jitters, the consists in motion on the route jerk forward a few hundred feet and tend to derail a few cars. I'll go from filming a Manifest with 5 motors on the head end to filming it again with 2 of the motors gone and the actual cargo following a couple hundred feet behind the remaining power. Definitely an interesting sight lol
 
The PC will be bought brand new. Is there still a chance of the motherboard not having an empty M.2 slot even with it being completely new? If so, what would I need to do to ensure the motherboard's slot is emptied?
The best way is to find out the make and model of the motherboard and look it up separately to see the specs. If you can't do that than a visual inspection is the only option. But that can be hard to do if the MB has heat sinks over the slots as many better motherboards do these day. Even if it doesn't, you can always add an SSD drive for expansion. ROG systems normally give pretty good performance when gaming since that is what they advertise and buyers expect. Of course, you pay for that performance.
 
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My biggest concern is how the setup will respond with Clutter and Turf-FX. I recently "discovered" how much better it makes a route and I'm hoping that this can be enjoyed at a reasonable fps without the jittery gameplay. The problem is that, when the game jitters, the consists in motion on the route jerk forward a few hundred feet and tend to derail a few cars. I'll go from filming a Manifest with 5 motors on the head end to filming it again with 2 of the motors gone and the actual cargo following a couple hundred feet behind the remaining power. Definitely an interesting sight lol
I have no issues with Clutter and Turf-FX causing stutters. I don't use the PBR textures due to other reasons not related to graphics and that does help with the cooling, though. There is one thing that should clear up your micro stuttering. Disable G-sync. This issue isn't inherent in Trainz, and there are complaints about that with other games as well. I also run at half-sync (30 fps). It may seem counter-intuitive but with all kinds of assets with different levels of quality and LOD, along with the constant loading of data, there's no noticeable difference.

As someone from the US, I'll run prototypical freights on my very long routes that are about 7200 feet long or longer without issues. There is an odd bug that will sometimes, and I mean intermittently, cause a long train derail, due to a switch being flipped under long freight cars. That issue has been with us as far back as I can remember and I've used Trainz since TRS2004 came out in December 2003. Like many things, this is something that comes with many theories as to why it occurs when someone asks about it in the forums.

There are a couple of things totally unrelated to this that can cause your derailments, however. If a train sent from a portal with junction too close to the portal and set against the route, the train can derail, or split apart as you've experienced. When an AI train is sent from a portal, it's blind to the world and gains its driver and commands once the whole train is out of the portal. This is true even if an absolute signal is placed before the junction since there is no driver even if there's one in the driver's seat when we click on the train.

Another issue that has caused derailments is the Small Portal Basic, or however it's named. There was an issue with TRS22 after an update that caused all portals to derail trains. N3V fixed the issue and we tested and tested, but apparently the Small Portal Basic still has that problem. Switching to the larger portal basic solves that problem.

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I'll go from filming a Manifest with 5 motors on the head end to filming it again with 2 of the motors gone and the actual cargo following a couple hundred feet behind the remaining power
You should consider the possibility that your recording software is degrading the performance in Trainz. I've tried many of them and some can cause the issues you cite here. Whatever software you are using you should use the codec that produces the least compressed output and write the file to the fastest drive you have. Many people recommend OBS but it defaults to creating a highly compressed .mkv file which uses a great deal of CPU power. I get much better results using .mov or .avi formats as they are using less compression by default but produce a giant file. These files can be edited easier as well and you can output a file with more compression such as .mp4.

(Before any of the "know it alls" jump in here. Yes, I know the difference in what a codec is and what a video file format is. All video file formats have a default codec. I'm just keeping it simple.)
 
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