Train Collision in San Fernando Valley
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cascaderailroad
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Pure Speculation
Pure SPECULATION from the Peanut Gallery. Get your FACTS from the NTSB investigation. This investigation will take weeks and months. Amature's ignorant speculations are not facts. You are spreading rumors. This thread should be pulled, for insensitivity to the victims and families involved.
Pure SPECULATION from the Peanut Gallery. Get your FACTS from the NTSB investigation. This investigation will take weeks and months. Amature's ignorant speculations are not facts. You are spreading rumors. This thread should be pulled, for insensitivity to the victims and families involved.
Man, If I knew it would go down this path I wouldn't have posted 
. I thought it would be nice to have somewhere where we in the Trainz community could express our sympathies, not start on blaming someone already. But I should have known when the first post came up with how many dead and injured. I saw the news too. I don't need to report it here. Working for a railroad even though in a different country, it still hits pretty hard. We lost two track workers when they stepped off one track onto another to avoid an approaching coal train and got run over by a track machine. Show some respect. If you want to SPECULATE get your own thread and leave mine alone!
. I thought it would be nice to have somewhere where we in the Trainz community could express our sympathies, not start on blaming someone already. But I should have known when the first post came up with how many dead and injured. I saw the news too. I don't need to report it here. Working for a railroad even though in a different country, it still hits pretty hard. We lost two track workers when they stepped off one track onto another to avoid an approaching coal train and got run over by a track machine. Show some respect. If you want to SPECULATE get your own thread and leave mine alone!
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TheRedAngelz
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Happily, they were not actually among the dead. UP left a notice on their website, stating that their THREE (read 'em, three) crew were alive and not seriously injured. Read here:
http://www.uprr.com/newsinfo/2008/cal_accident.shtml
He ran THREE red lights, apparently. I personally find that hard to believe, but it was reported by several news agencies. And no, Metrolink do not have alerters of any kind on their trains.
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Buzzards...
Thanks Red for your link to UP.
Let's wait for all the investigation to castigate guilt.
MetroLink has resigned the director that threw the contract engineer under the train.
We will survive this and the results of this horrific crash will live on not only in legislation, but also with more stringent train control.
GodSpeed the families of all involved.......!
Thanks Red for your link to UP.Let's wait for all the investigation to castigate guilt.
MetroLink has resigned the director that threw the contract engineer under the train.
We will survive this and the results of this horrific crash will live on not only in legislation, but also with more stringent train control.
GodSpeed the families of all involved.......!
IsambardKingdomBrunel
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My prayers go out to all affected by this accident.
The system mentioned above works well in local City commuter lines and subways but for the amount of track in the US and Canada this could not be accomplished due to cost and the fact that there are large sections of rail that are so isolated from people that it would be impossible to do. Remember that the North American continent is far larger and less densely populated then the UK and this makes this task much more difficult.
NTrainR160
Building something...
this sounds just like the metrolink accident with the union pacific and metrolink trains crashing head on. the engineer of the metrolink passed a red signal and was texting, a stupid decision, causing a horrible accident.
this sounds just like the metrolink accident with the union pacific and metrolink trains crashing head on. the engineer of the metrolink passed a red signal and was texting, a stupid decision, causing a horrible accident.
As a result, Metrolink is banning all portable electronic devices from use by engineers and train personnel during rail operations.
TheRedAngelz
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How come these sort of bans don't come into effect until AFTER the incident in which they cause a problem?
Because we, as humans, are a crisis-oriented society. We need to change that, but guess what! We're not gonna change it until a big crisis occurs to make us change!
*gets off his soapbox; "NEXT!!"*
Nah...it's about CHOICES WE MAKE...!
In this country(and many others...yes), we have Laws, & regulations.
Regulations say: "No cell phones on the job whilst at work"(in so many words).
Now we have a Law: "Use of cell phones while at operation of a public transportation vehicle are a Federal Offence."
We don't really wish to over-regulate, however when our choices cause an accident that is estimated will cost a $BILLION DOLLARS, I guess someone made a bad choice too many!
Why now?
Because if we tried to regulate for chumps, we'd be broke before the two cows come home!
Positive Train Control will now take over where signals, alerters, radios, air-brakes, hell...Janey couplers FAILED!
And yes it has been a long time coming, because the cost includes equipping every power unit running...and that will pass on to the consumer, and they'll dog-gone sure complain to their local, state & federal representatives...
And the trains will roll on...hopefully safer...
In this country(and many others...yes), we have Laws, & regulations.Regulations say: "No cell phones on the job whilst at work"(in so many words).
Now we have a Law: "Use of cell phones while at operation of a public transportation vehicle are a Federal Offence."
We don't really wish to over-regulate, however when our choices cause an accident that is estimated will cost a $BILLION DOLLARS, I guess someone made a bad choice too many!
Why now?
Because if we tried to regulate for chumps, we'd be broke before the two cows come home!
Positive Train Control will now take over where signals, alerters, radios, air-brakes, hell...Janey couplers FAILED!
And yes it has been a long time coming, because the cost includes equipping every power unit running...and that will pass on to the consumer, and they'll dog-gone sure complain to their local, state & federal representatives...
And the trains will roll on...hopefully safer...
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Eaglefan9727
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From what I have heard, It is the state of California that is passing this law instead of metrolink themselves making it mandatory for all of their train crews.
The State of California...?
So it has now become a State Law, and heck what else could the Governator do?
This was a regulation, to begin with...
As in most job work areas...?
It is about "Why me...I just want to get emergancy calls from my familiy..."
This guy, was a loner, who was a life long railfan...
He was comunicating with lineside railfans and missed a signal....
Sorry for the railfans who wish to gain a job in the California area...:hehe:
So it has now become a State Law, and heck what else could the Governator do?This was a regulation, to begin with...
As in most job work areas...?
It is about "Why me...I just want to get emergancy calls from my familiy..."
This guy, was a loner, who was a life long railfan...
He was comunicating with lineside railfans and missed a signal....
Sorry for the railfans who wish to gain a job in the California area...:hehe:
A signal? It looks like he missed 3 signals!, and went over a set of points in the wrong direction. Very strange. I have not read anywhere that he could have been under some physical strain: could have fainted, somebody could have taken a gunshot (they run with windows open) from somebody at line side, or suffered some unavoidable distraction. Of course very unlikely, but due to the magnitude of the case, everything should be in the table. We tend to blame the easy one. Think that drivers run these tracks all day long, and they know were signals and sidings are. Too bad that the body is mangled so investigators would have tough time to see what was the condition of the engineer at the time of the accident. Another part of the investigation is the length of the text allegedly being transmitted? or composed?, How long does it takes to do it and for how long the train would travel on that lenght of time. There is more to it, yes?