The problem is back and I may have to admit defeat

[leader2302]

It may have been the most stable when compared with anything up to and including TS2009, but TS2010 is now just as stable as TRS2004 with the advantage of an undo system that works every time. I base this on my experience with TS2010 since it was first released.

It also has CM3.3 that has none of the horrors of the earlier versions.

Peter

Not to get into the whole "which version is better" debate, but several major payware creators I correspond with regularly will not create new assets for TRS2010 until several major bugs are worked out. In fact, they actually prefer to use TRS09 instead of TRS2010.
So the jury is still out on TRS2010.
Hopefully, TRS2010 will be fixed with future patches.

 

[Retro00064]

Not to get into the whole "which version is better" debate, but several major payware creators I correspond with regularly will not create new assets for TRS2010 until several major bugs are worked out. In fact, they actually prefer to use TRS09 instead of TRS2010.
So the jury is still out on TRS2010.
Hopefully, TRS2010 will be fixed with future patches.

I agree with not going into that debate again. It was already loud enough months ago, back when the discussion was going on about Auran banning pre-Trainz-Classics content creators from uploading their creations to the DLS. There is a game called Transport Tycoon Deluxe, and there is still a good community out there for it, creating content and hacks, and posting them up on personal websites.

Regards.

 

[rjhowie]

Breaking the thing into chunks is a bit daunting and an unknown territory for me. Spent hours the other night trying to correct height loss and texture loss over very short stretches which I realise is going to take ages. With constant r-drawing and flashing as it does then having to zoom back and forth to see how it is makes the mountain even higher to climb.

John, regarding your points.
- I am using Windows 7 b4 Bit.
- I am also using 1024 x 768 as it happens.
-How do you un-check the texture compression thing you mentioned.
-Also curious about how you deal with te following.....
Trainz could not overwrite read-only route files. Try saving with different name."

I can save under a particular name after several uses then that last thing comes up. To date I have now went worked up to my fourth re-incarnation (with a copy of course) name and deleted the previous ones! (Last night I was musing on what would happen if I imported my original TR06 version of the NIR say under a different name to see what happens as an alternative. Previously it had been imported into 09 along with all my content.)

Obviously I don't want the thread to wander off as this build is important having put so much into it.

 

[Scottish]

Trainz could not overwrite read-only route files. Try saving with different name."

I can save under a particular name after several uses then that last thing comes up. To date I have now went worked up to my fourth re-incarnation (with a copy of course) name and deleted the previous ones!

Have you installed SP4 into TS2009? If you have, take a look at the problems I have been having with Surveyor 'Save' and 'Save As' commands and see if these resemble any of your problems.

http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showpost.php?p=704247&postcount=92

http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showpost.php?p=706002&postcount=104

http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showpost.php?p=712042&postcount=3

Scottish

 

[pcas1986]

For Scottish.

The problem with saving routes exists in TS2010 as well - at least for me In the end I gave up and just kept saving under a new name. A bit like an inforced backup. Though it did create problems with my test scenarios. In another thread it was suggested that the original route was never edited and all changes to the route should be done through a scenario and layers. Maybe for the next route I build.

I had Trainz installed at quite a deep level in the disk structure and I also used rather long route names. So I was wondering if Trainz had a problem with very long directory paths and filenames. The other earlier comment about executing Trainz as an administrator may have some merit as well.


For rjhowie2.
I haven't split routes either but what I was thinking of was this:

Mark your route at convenient spots where a split could occur. I'd use an object that was completely out of place - such as lighthouses. The map tool in Surveyor will help.

Start with your best version of the route. Back it up or save as a 'known' version. Remove about two thirds of the baseboards and save as "Route name - part 1".

Reload the known route. Delete the third of the baseboards you didn't delete before. The delete half of the remainder (which would be a third of the original). Save as "Route name - part 2".

Reload the known route again and delete the two thirds that wasn't deleted before. Save as "Route name - part 3".

Edit the three parts individually and then merge.

You could practice on a dummy route to help decide if this is worth the effort.

OK - so its a bit of mucking around and may be more trouble than its worth. It would be a tradeoff against slowly editing your route.

Good Luck. I'd like to see the NIR route when its finished. I did a tour of Ireland back in September but did very little of Northern Ireland. My wife is not into trains at all. Although she did survive about half a day in the York National Railway Museum before deciding the old city was more interesting. I stayed.

Cheers
Paul

 

[rjhowie]

Well in my third rebuilding of the disasters under the latest name seemed to work for a while as it was saving and I could get out and in so went on with the Border line. Everything was back as it should be. Decided to work slowly along a second route - the Border Line. Spent some 5 hours slowly going along correcting all the south Belfast suburban area and the scenery and problems out to the town of Lurgan regularilt saving then once more when finished. All this without being told I needed a new name so thought "some progress". Tonight I went into continuing and I was right back to damn square one with the whole project for the third attempt. The Belfast river, docks, underpasses, stairs to stations as in practice, bridges all flat. Rivers, ditches, road bridges under tracks level with the track and of course all the surrounding areas wonky everywhere else.

I am reading what you say about the saving issue does seem to have a flaw Scottish. When it says it is saving it b----- isn't. As for the other more complicated and concerning idea of doing the thing in chunks of boards has me a bit confused and wary as well as I say, daunting. All told I have spent considerable hours redoing heights etc three times now and it is getting too wearing and putting me off doing the same over and over to the point of utter frustration. That I managed to do this massive ground hog day three times was a stretch. What teed me off about the latest change of name was not being told to change it so is especially annoying. Really am getting tired of moving things when it takes so damn long and footery. I have noticed on close inspection bits of routes where there are straight and obvious height differences where boards meet. One at one level and the next slightly different all adding to things.

Have read over again the idea of chunks of boards and still unsure to be frankly honest. Will re-read that again for now. Meantime I am going to put TRS06 on my laptop and import the original 06 NIR into that to see what happens. With so many boards and so much done and about halfway through the whole of the NIR system it will be especially disturbing if in the end I have to give this up. I had been so determined to have something of the modern situ across the irish Sea as it is a lacking area on Trainz. Not only has it been a special interest but I took time to spend money to go over and suss the place out. Re-reading and stil considering what to do or get the towel.

 

[clam1952]

Re-reading and stil considering what to do or get the towel.

Assuming you have cloned the route in CM and that hasn't worked.
Try this.
Backup your route in 2009. Extract the mapfile.gnd from the 2006 route and substitute it for the one in 2009 and commit and check that all is as should be.

Theory is the mapfile.gnd is corrupted, I had this around a year ago in my route when changes to the terrain were not working very well and crashing the game or locking up. Replacing the mapfile.gnd with one from an earlier backup solved the problem, without having to lose all assets added since, you just loose any terrain editing done that was done after the backup / older version.

Not using 2009 now but on testing, there are no save problems with 2009 SP4 here, save as is not greyed out, normal saving works as it should.

 

[JCitron]

Bobby,

This appears as Malc points to be two different problems - one of corrupted data and the other of some system issue.

Try loading your route from backups and see if that solves the problem. I could always rename the current route (save-as) so you have the old and the new.

Do a save-as on the current route to a new name.
Go into Content Manager, or Surveyor Routes, and delete the old version.

Import the same route from a backup and see what happens.

Now regarding the Data Compression.

Two places need to be checked. I thnk. I'm not at my Trainz PC right now, so if I'v erred on one of the settings, I appologise.

When you Start Trainz, At the launcher screen, click on the Menu and Options. Look for the settings for video, and uncheck graphcs compression.

Apply or save and exit from the launcher.

Go into Content Manager and go to Settings...
Uncheck the use compression for the graphics files.

I hope I didn't confuse you.

John

 

[rjhowie]

Sorry for the delay - due partly to my health issues then I had a small fire in the kitchen which required the fire brigade. What a start to 2011 what with my NIR hiccup then along come the firemen for a visit with an ambulance crew to ensure I was okay. Fortunately not too much damage although the kitchen will need some redecoration and a new cooker and floor covering. Had a job getting to the back door due to thick smoke and burning eyes, etc. I digress (!).

Over the last day or so when I got to Trainz I tried saving in a new name and then when I went back to it save it in another name so that if one went wonky there wasn't too much of a build gap if you see what I mean. Didn't try doing too much re-sorting each time just in case.So far things are holding but keeping my fingers crossed. Have noted what you say and re-read to make sure things are registering the way I am as I got one H of a fright when I discovered the fire. Will let you know how I get on. Just as well i have a microwave and a Forman's grill and some good neighbours to help with their oven!

Now a re-read and try the suggestions.