The good old days
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Jim,
I'm sure the folks over at TPR would welcome your content.They're great guys over there - Ed, Meridous, and others I can't remember offhand because my brains have become flatlined!
Don't let the buggers get you down. They do that to make their own misery bigger than yours. Sadly in some ways, people can be like birds, dogs and cats. I own all three types and I see that happen all the time amongst the species!
John
thanks John, I agree. I think if you substitute dogs with tortoises, that they'll get along better. Dogs and tortoises are a bad mix.
I agree, so I won't open an old wound here for either of us. If I recall, which is hard lately, I even mentioned that in one of the many announcements that came out at the time. Keep the legacy section, but don't support it.
Sadly we don't have a say in corporate decisions regarding things like this.
There may have been other reasons such as the increased error checking, which caused so many headaches for a lot of people initially. The support staff were probably afraid that noobs would include broken content again into the mix, and cause a whole new batch of DLS bad-content problems.
Who knows!
John
And those noobs would have gotten plenty of support from the helpful community members. The forums have been the Custom Service department. For Auran to not have provided support made no difference anyway. For them to state that they could no longer offer support for pre 2009 content was a bogus reason. They didn't before much anyway
, referring to the forums, but It was never an issue because of the strength of the community. That strength of course has taken a few too many hits in the last couple years. Anyway John, I'm long past crossing the line for beating the dead horse. I hope you have a nice weekend and survive the heat and that wonderful salt air humidity that I miss. (I really do miss the salt air)
What I find fascinating is that even though Auran/N3V has yanked support for the earlier versions of Trainz, if you look in the forums for those early versions, they are STILL very active. So while Auran's intent may have been to discourage users from using those early versions and encourage-or-force people to upgrade, their plan doesn't seem to be working very well.
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At the risk of continuing the flogging and straying off topic, I think there is a difference in officially stopping support and user activity. As I see it, the lack of support just means that if conditions change (new OS, i.e Windows 7, or new graphics cards are used) there will not be any official fixes in case of problems. Considering the age of the code, this is only normal.... So while Auran's intent may have been to discourage users from using those early versions and encourage-or-force people to upgrade, their plan doesn't seem to be working very well.
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Now if your local setup doesn't change or cause new issues to appear, there is nothing to stop you from continuing to play and enjoy the older versions.They will not magically stop working or uninstall themselves. I know you can no longer trade objects via the DLS but that is Auran's call. There are still other places where this can be done. I still use several programs created ages ago. No support, official or otherwise but I still enjoy them.
Now back to the good old days. How many games are there that have kept people's interest for so long? I think that says a lot about both the game and the players.
What I find fascinating is that even though Auran/N3V has yanked support for the earlier versions of Trainz, if you look in the forums for those early versions, they are STILL very active. So while Auran's intent may have been to discourage users from using those early versions and encourage-or-force people to upgrade, their plan doesn't seem to be working very well.
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I don't think their plan is working well either, cuz. The result has been a divided community and much negativity. I wouldn't think it is worth it.
I agree with "all of the above". At the risk of seeming self-absorbed...I started an admittedly audacious and grandiose project over 4 years ago in TRS2006. I'm not about to stop working on it, or releasing related content, because support for TRS2006 has been discontinued. Onward and upward...to infinity and beyond!
Cheers,
Fred
Cheers,
Fred
Gandalf0444
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Since my time here at the beginning, I was a lurker way back when I had the original Trainz it was very nice and peaceful.
Then I kind of disappeared for a bit, then I got TRS2006. Started off on the forum like everyone else, a newbie with not much respect, and didn't quite understand everything and made my self seem like an arse.
Now it has become even worse on the forums, it is like walking on egg shells. Everyone is on edge and at each others throats and over stupid stuff as well. Such as TRS2006 VS 09/10/12. There is no reason to call people who use 09/10/12 "morons" etc or vice versa. Or with all the payware drama with X not liking group Y because they supposedly did this when they also did that, half the time I just want to say get over it...IT IS A GAME. But if I did everytime I wanted, I would be chased down by the people from the wood works and beat down and left to rot on the side of the road.
The newbie problem is also becoming worse and worse, here and my website, all they do is DEMAND content, then there and NOW. It is not so much that they are doing it, but it is that there are 40,000 of them doing it and when you tell them politely to stop, and instead ask this way as to be nicer, they scream at you. (I have actually be threatened with physical harm several times
:hehe Simply because I stood up and told them to sit down, shut up and listen for 5 minutes.
Granted as I said I have made myself look like an arse several times throughout the years, but who hasn't? You move on from that and act "normal" but the newbies do not. 90% of them do not change. At all.
Auran's plan seems to have backfired in a sense I agree...the plan to stop support for older versions defiantly put a massive split in the community, which is good and bad. It can separate the men from the boys(almost literally) but leaves a lot of the more unfortunate in the dark. But from a business perspective it does in fact make sense.
Regardless the fact that the community has changed so much just in 2 years is shocking, let alone 6-8 years.
Then I kind of disappeared for a bit, then I got TRS2006. Started off on the forum like everyone else, a newbie with not much respect, and didn't quite understand everything and made my self seem like an arse.
Now it has become even worse on the forums, it is like walking on egg shells. Everyone is on edge and at each others throats and over stupid stuff as well. Such as TRS2006 VS 09/10/12. There is no reason to call people who use 09/10/12 "morons" etc or vice versa. Or with all the payware drama with X not liking group Y because they supposedly did this when they also did that, half the time I just want to say get over it...IT IS A GAME. But if I did everytime I wanted, I would be chased down by the people from the wood works and beat down and left to rot on the side of the road.
The newbie problem is also becoming worse and worse, here and my website, all they do is DEMAND content, then there and NOW. It is not so much that they are doing it, but it is that there are 40,000 of them doing it and when you tell them politely to stop, and instead ask this way as to be nicer, they scream at you. (I have actually be threatened with physical harm several times
:hehe Simply because I stood up and told them to sit down, shut up and listen for 5 minutes.Granted as I said I have made myself look like an arse several times throughout the years, but who hasn't? You move on from that and act "normal" but the newbies do not. 90% of them do not change. At all.
Auran's plan seems to have backfired in a sense I agree...the plan to stop support for older versions defiantly put a massive split in the community, which is good and bad. It can separate the men from the boys(almost literally) but leaves a lot of the more unfortunate in the dark. But from a business perspective it does in fact make sense.
Regardless the fact that the community has changed so much just in 2 years is shocking, let alone 6-8 years.
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Actually, the DLS was part of the deal when people bought TRS2004-06. So just shutting it off is voiding that agreement. People may not sue Auran/N3V, but they will voice their opinion of Trainz via their purchasing power.
Ever stop to think WHY Trainz keeps peoples interest? Could it be that they could go on the DLS and download content for the version they had? Nahhh....couldn't be that.
Now there's an idea but a quick count in the DLS will show how many objects have been contributed. What's one more demand or should I say request? :wave:I dunno. No newbs are demanding anything of me. Maybe those with thousands of posts could have their post count number returned to zero or not shown? Or put in your signature line "don't ask me...I don't know nuttin"
LOL...you're right about that! I also suspect that, while they won't admit it, those with thousands of post like to see that number up there. Some kind of "badge of expertise" I suspect. Well ya gotta take the good with the bad.
The newbie problem is also becoming worse and worse, here and my website, all they do is DEMAND content, then there and NOW. It is not so much that they are doing it, but it is that there are 40,000 of them doing it and when you tell them politely to stop, and instead ask this way as to be nicer, they scream at you. (I have actually be threatened with physical harm several times
Granted as I said I have made myself look like an arse several times throughout the years, but who hasn't? You move on from that and act "normal" but the newbies do not. 90% of them do not change. At all.
Regardless the fact that the community has changed so much just in 2 years is shocking, let alone 6-8 years.
You really need to get out more in the real world
. Did you never hear of the term "gimme society" or "entitlement society". I work with kids a lot as a member of Kiwanis. Our motto is "Serving the children of the world". Well I can tell you right now that the children of the USA are NOT like they used to be back in the 50s and 60s. This is probably mainly due to lack of parental training. Or maybe the parents are training them, only badly. We give out scholarships in the form of cash donations every year. When we hand those kids a nice-sized lump of money to go to college with, they don't even say thank you. And no thank you card either. Just a hand out grabbing for the check. As in GIMME! Since 2008 I can count on one hand the number of kids who said thank you or sent us a thank you note.
I suspect you are seeing this same situation in Trainz with the newbs you speak of. People no longer have common courtesy. They think society HAS to give them what they demand because they are owed it. And that includes the Trainz society. Other things that have disappeared are the ability to admit you made a mistake or were wrong, and the ability to apologize. You will still find the older generations able to do that. But not with the younger folk. Why do you think it has been so difficult for the politicians to pass a new debt plan? People have made the entitlement programs "untouchable" and those are the major causes of debt. That's just the way it is in the US...probably in the rest of the world too. Look at the rioting in Greece over austerity measures and the uproar among students in the UK when they were told they would have to start paying for some of their education.
What if they do what??????
So, if you don't have enough posts, then you're a "noob", and there's something wrong with that, and by reading your posts if you have many posts, then you're an old timer with an inflated ego or something to that effect? So, in your opinion; exactly how many posts should a member have that will land him or her in the "cool" sweet spot? 174?
If you're new here, you probably aren't going to have thousands of posts. Everyone is new once. If you've been here awhile and been active on the forums you will naturally have more posts, maybe even in the thousands. I've read startling insights and displays of knowledge and talent from new members, and read incredibly arrogant and stupid posts from oldtimers. New members shouldn't consider themselves as members with nothing to contribute, and not every old timer is full of himself.
I am, but not every one is.
Why are we talking about class warfare based on how many posts are associated with a username?
If you're new here, you probably aren't going to have thousands of posts. Everyone is new once. If you've been here awhile and been active on the forums you will naturally have more posts, maybe even in the thousands. I've read startling insights and displays of knowledge and talent from new members, and read incredibly arrogant and stupid posts from oldtimers. New members shouldn't consider themselves as members with nothing to contribute, and not every old timer is full of himself.
I am, but not every one is.
Why are we talking about class warfare based on how many posts are associated with a username?
LOL...sorry, but I have requested that Aurna/N3V, in the interests of maintaining peace and tranquility on the forums, and to provide a "level playing field", that ALL post counts be returned to zero immediately.
Really, you gotta lighten up with what we are discussing. I only made a suggestion that "veterans" who were being badgered by newbs with demands for help and assistance might solve that problem by having their post counts dropped to zero. Presto! You are no longer a "veteran". You might even have Auran eliminate all those proof of purchase icons next to your name. That would solve things completely.
Really, you are reading way too much into all of this. It's just an option that might be available.
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