SP Coast Daylight

Alex99al

CLOSED
Hi there fellow Trainzers,
I was doing some research on the Coast Daylight of the Southern Pacific Railroad and I found out Amtrak will be resurrecting the Daylight with an itenary passenger schedule in 2011. I thought this would please all the Southern Pacific Railroad or Coast Daylight enthusiasts.
Yours truly,
Alex99al
P.S. Although, I am a Pennsylvania Railroad nut, my other love is for the Southern Pacific Railroad.
 
That will definitely be a sight to see! I wonder what equipment will be used? P42's, E units, F units? I did a search, and not much information is out besides the announcement. I wish they would resurrect the San Joaquin Daylight, too!
 
SP 4449 and 6051 at the dedication

A nice addition at the dedication, would be Southern Pacific GS-4 #4449 and EMD E9 #6051. The two Daylight locomotives sitting side by side. Then after the inaugurational run, 4449 and 6051 take an old replica of the original SP Daylight, with 4449 and 6051 in charge of the train with 4449 leading to Los Angeles and 6051 powering the train back to San Francisco, by way of the Oakland station. :D
 
I'm not exactly what you mean, but it seems to be different from the existing Coast Daylight train, so wouldn't that mean their would be two trains services named the Coast Starlight?
 
INTERESTING!

A few years ago you could take the Starlight to L.A. in time to connect with an AMTRAK to Houston, and later, to Florida. Then, because of AMTRAK's inability to keep the schedule between L.A. and Houston because of increased freight traffic, the schedule was changed and the connection could not be made. With this Daylight arriving earlier than the Starlight, perhaps the connection can again be made.
 
Difference between Coast Starlight and Coast Daylight

I'm not exactly what you mean, but it seems to be different from the existing Coast Daylight train, so wouldn't that mean their would be two trains services named the Coast Starlight?
The Coast Starlight serves between Seattle, Washington and Los Angeles, California and the Southern Pacific's Coast Daylight ran between San Francisco, California and Los Angeles. Amtrak is saying the new Coast Daylight would be called the Coast Daylight, like the original passenger train of the Southern Pacific Railroad. :D
 
Passenger Connection to Houston, Texas

SuperFudd, I have to agree. If the new Daylight can come to Los Angeles Union Passenger Terminal at a time where it can meet the Sunset Limited and passengers wishing to go to Houston by way of the Sunset Limited can have enough time to have their bags transferred as well as themselves, then we will have a good form of passenger traffic connections. With that set up, passengers will be able to just keep going without having to wait for another train. It will be at the station and then all Amtrak will have to do is add a few more passenger cars and a baggage car for passengers venturing onto the Sunset Limited from the Coast Daylight, then they can work their way through the train. :D
 
At Alex99, sorry about that, as I didn't actually see the difference between the word Starlight & Daylight, until I saw your reply to me.

PS: I think that's what happens when train names are very similar. Would it be better to call it the Pacific Daylight, to avoid confusion?

Wait a minute, doesn't the Coast Starlight already do a day run between San Francisco (opps I mean Oakland :hehe: ) & Los Angeles? Goes and checks the timetable.

EDIT: Yep, the Coast Starlight still runs in daylight between San Francisco & Los Angeles and seems to have had a similar times since 1996, so would their be any point in running another day train between the two cities?
Could it be better if it was a night train between SFO & LA? What am I saying??, While it would be advantage, passengers would miss out on the scenery.
 
Last edited:
Then they would have to call it the Starlight, but wait...:o

This new train runs ahead of the current Starlight both ways and makes more stops. South bound it would likely be more reliable since it would not be messed up by problems north of the Bay Area. Plus the new train would actually go to San Francisco.
 
The main different between the Starlight and the Daylight is there will be more then one a day, more stops, and different cars. I would assume either Superliner Coaches, or single level coaches, no need for sleepers.
 
I've been on the Coast Starlight north from Sacramento, CA to Seattle, WA and I've taken the Southbound train back to Sacramento. It is one of the best scenery I've ever seen. The Northbound train is much better though.

Matt
 
If SP 4449 and SP 6051 attend the Dedication/Pros of a new Coast Daylight

I read about this. If Amtrak does resume service along the former Coast Line of the Southern Pacific. Only one obstacle stands in the way and that is how Amtrak will deal with freight trains provided by the Union Pacific Railroad. But one thing for sure, the new Coast Daylight will eliminate congestion on U.S. Route 101, between San Francisco and Los Angeles and this will also be a start of a potential revival of classic passenger trains. But, I don't think we may see trains like the Super Chief again. The Coast Daylight is enough for me, but I would love to Southern Pacific GS-4 4-8-4 #4449 and EMD E9 passenger diesel #6051 (also of the Southern Pacific) at the dedication ceremony, it would be extremely cool to see both preserved Coast Daylight locomotives at the dedication. The Daylight diesel (#6051) would have the quickest arrival. Since she's in Sacramento, California at the California Railroad Museum, her trip would be quicker. The 4449 is in Portland, Oregon and well, she'd have to leave at least 2 to 3 days before the event, because it takes a while to get from Portland to Los Angeles. I should know, I rode the Coast Starlight south (Amtrak #11) and believe me, it's a long ride. But, a good and long ride.
 
I haven't seen anything recent in the news about resurrecting the Daylight, though I think it would be a good idea. It's been talked about for years and some groups carrying a brief for the project have been advocating, but AFAIK nothing has been done. I haven''t found anything recent to the effect it is going to happen on the Internet, and nothing at all at the Caltrain, Amtrak California, or Amtrak Web sites.

There is more than one obstacle in the way.

1. This was to be a joint venture between Caltrain - a California state agency - and Amtrak, with Amtrak operating the trains and Caltrain providing the bulk of the funding. Unfortunately, California has spent itself into oblivion, is laying off and cutting back hours of its employees, even including law enforcement, and has driven much tax paying and job providing industry to neighboring states. I don't see a solution for the state any time soon.

2. The proposed Daylight is to be a limited stop train carrying passengers between SF and LA with just a few stops in between. Highway 101 traffic problems are the result of rush hour traffic in what were once sleepy towns that have become serious cities, e.g., Salinas. A train moving 300 people per day in each direction will do nothing to alleviate traffic. I doubt that Amtrak can justify funding startup as well as the operating costs when they are already paying for two perfectly good daily trains on the same route, the Coast Starlight, while other parts of the country are clamoring for service.

3. When this project was first floated, about four years back, I think, UP had eliminated through freight trains on the Coast Route, routing them over the San Joaquin Valley route and over Tehachepi. Even then, the proposed move would have required at least two additional passing sidings to be built at not so trivial cost, to accommodate local freight traffic. Now I hear UP is planning to do extensive rebuilding and improvement of the San Joaquin Route over the next several years and will use the coast route for the bulk of its through trains. If two passing sidings were needed before, how much upgrading will be necessary now to get the Daylight from LA to SF in less than a geological time frame is anyone's guess.

It will happen eventually, everything does, but I wouldn't count on 2011. Still, if anyone has something from an authoritative source it would sure make my day to see it.

Bernie
 
I haven't seen anything recent in the news about resurrecting the Daylight, though I think it would be a good idea. It's been talked about for years and some groups carrying a brief for the project have been advocating, but AFAIK nothing has been done. I haven''t found anything recent to the effect it is going to happen on the Internet, and nothing at all at the Caltrain, Amtrak California, or Amtrak Web sites.

There is more than one obstacle in the way.

1. This was to be a joint venture between Caltrain - a California state agency - and Amtrak, with Amtrak operating the trains and Caltrain providing the bulk of the funding. Unfortunately, California has spent itself into oblivion, is laying off and cutting back hours of its employees, even including law enforcement, and has driven much tax paying and job providing industry to neighboring states. I don't see a solution for the state any time soon.

2. The proposed Daylight is to be a limited stop train carrying passengers between SF and LA with just a few stops in between. Highway 101 traffic problems are the result of rush hour traffic in what were once sleepy towns that have become serious cities, e.g., Salinas. A train moving 300 people per day in each direction will do nothing to alleviate traffic. I doubt that Amtrak can justify funding startup as well as the operating costs when they are already paying for two perfectly good daily trains on the same route, the Coast Starlight, while other parts of the country are clamoring for service.

3. When this project was first floated, about four years back, I think, UP had eliminated through freight trains on the Coast Route, routing them over the San Joaquin Valley route and over Tehachepi. Even then, the proposed move would have required at least two additional passing sidings to be built at not so trivial cost, to accommodate local freight traffic. Now I hear UP is planning to do extensive rebuilding and improvement of the San Joaquin Route over the next several years and will use the coast route for the bulk of its through trains. If two passing sidings were needed before, how much upgrading will be necessary now to get the Daylight from LA to SF in less than a geological time frame is anyone's guess.

It will happen eventually, everything does, but I wouldn't count on 2011. Still, if anyone has something from an authoritative source it would sure make my day to see it.

Bernie

The idea is more then 1 train each way per day. they run like 6 trains a day between Chicago and Milwaukee, if not more.

SF - LA is a pretty short hop, so with limited stops, I'd think it could be done in a few hours. Running it as a commuter train using California Cars for equipment would be a very viable option to get people off the highways.
 
There are already commute trains between Morgan Hill and San Francisco. If some day it is needed further south, I expect it will go there.
 
Hello Klinger,

SF to LA on the coast line is about an 11 hour trip. It is just a tad over 480 track miles and covers some extremely tough terrain: 2.2% grades, 10 degree curves, that sort of thing. As Superfudd suggests, it will probably be done, but not for a while.

One alternative would be to split the Coast Starlight in two at Oakland. I believe the route was originally planned that way by Amtrak in the beginning. The big complaint about the Starlight has been that the run from Oakland to LA is hostage to all the delays on the Seattle to Oakland portion of the route, making it unattractive as an alternative to air or road travel on the southern portion.

Bernie
 
Last edited:
Back
Top