Safetran Signals - Aspect Interpretation?
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norfolksouthern37
what's a normal map?
try looking up signal rules on google, you can probably scare up some charts there
[FONT=Calibri","sans-serif]That depends on the operating rules that the railroad is operating under.[/FONT]
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norfolksouthern37
what's a normal map?
it does, but when it really comes down to it, they are very much the same.
[FONT=Verdana","sans-serif]After actually teaching CSXT operating rules as an instructor and being qualified to work under NORAC, GCOR and CSXT operating rules I beg to differ, lol.[/FONT]
norfolksouthern37
what's a normal map?
come on, if you are not getting down to nitpicky details, they are very much alike for most of their common aspects.
Gandalf0444
FVRR member
I wouldn't even bother with him norfolksouthern.. He is a know it all about everything and you will not win any argument with him.
As far as the railroads operating rules are concerned it’sall about the nitpicky details.
It all depends on how accurate you want your train game I guess.
norfolksouthern37
what's a normal map?
well, he is only right to a certain extent here. the op is probably asking about the signals that i made for TRS, which were at the time an attempt at getting TRS to let me display some of the more complex aspects. it couldnt be done correctly in the older versions (until TS2009) but i havent released those signals (but will very soon). anyway, i mostly based those off of "CSX Signal Aspects and Indications Rules" which is an official manual i am sure he is familliar with. i also tried to stretch things a little, and cover some other railroads, and found that i could if i didnt include some of the different operating rules' aspects. the reason i could, is because those are generally the same. they appear in generally the same places under the same circumstance. so nobody will have to worry about "approach medium" under one set being just like "approach diverging" under another since they apply in the same place.
THAT is what i was talking about.
if he were actually talking about reading real signals, and it doesnt seem that he is given the name of the thread, then i wouldnt make that comment. those details might matter.
THAT is what i was talking about.
if he were actually talking about reading real signals, and it doesnt seem that he is given the name of the thread, then i wouldnt make that comment. those details might matter.
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As are the rest of us with actual railroad experience right,so does everyone who has actual experience with the subject and who knows more than you considered a know it all?
Gandalf0444
FVRR member
[FONT=Verdana","sans-serif]In that respect yes Justin (I haven’t taken a close look at your CSXT signals), but there is obviously a difference between a signal system that uses speed signals and one that uses route/direction signals as well as a railroad that operates under GCOR and one that operates under NORAC.[/FONT]
norfolksouthern37
what's a normal map?
yes, in fact they are mostly CSX based.
djt, be careful, 'actual railroaders' are people and can be wrong too. i realize it is important for you to point out that you have real railroad experience, and that is just fine to tell some of these people just how silly their interpretation of reality is, but nobody is infallible. also you cant always assume that just because you were with a railroad makes you more qualified to make an answer. yes some of these people are simply the worst examples but not everyone is at the same level of stupidity.
djt, be careful, 'actual railroaders' are people and can be wrong too. i realize it is important for you to point out that you have real railroad experience, and that is just fine to tell some of these people just how silly their interpretation of reality is, but nobody is infallible. also you cant always assume that just because you were with a railroad makes you more qualified to make an answer. yes some of these people are simply the worst examples but not everyone is at the same level of stupidity.
[FONT=Verdana","sans-serif][FONT=Verdana","sans-serif][FONT=Verdana","sans-serif]Supposedly? Prove me wrong then, lol.[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana","sans-serif][FONT=Verdana","sans-serif][FONT=Verdana","sans-serif]There are more than a few people who actually have railroad experience (a few of them I’ve actually worked with and know the extent of my experience) that have started to show up at TS.com, how about you start over there?[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
norfolksouthern37
what's a normal map?
yes very true, but some of this stuff you cant jam into TRS no matter how hard you try! and beleive me ive tried! its best to keep it simple for the time being. it is only a game after all.
i did eventually get convincing speed signalling to work, but i ran into problems with the ai going really slow when they didnt have to - something to do with when the signals cleared, but yea, its a lot of work to program a simple rulebook to TRS.
[FONT=Verdana","sans-serif]Of course they can no doubt about it, but who’s going to have a better understanding of the subject, someone who watches trains or someone who actually does it for a living? In this case someone who has worked under three different is operating rule books.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana","sans-serif]My point is that if the person in the original post wants to model the operation (signal system) accurately they have to first find out what operating rules are being used as well as looking at the TTSI for the division/sub division they are trying to model.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana","sans-serif]I hear yeah and yes too many it is just a game.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana","sans-serif]There’s a guy over at TS.com who’ trying to accurately model a NORAC operation (which uses speed signals) in RailWorks, it will be interesting to find out how far he get’s.[/FONT]