Rosslare to Waterford - Closing?

Vern

Trainz Maverick
I wonder if anyone more up on the Irish railway scene can confirm some rather sad news I read on a couple of the Irish rail forums/media pages, that WEF 21st July IE are pulling the plug and closing the above line?

If true it will be a great shame as it was quite a scenic route, very rural and certainly when I travelled it a few times in the 1980's almost stepping back 30 years into another time.

Now luckily years ago when I was thinking of doing the route in MSTS, someone sent me a copy of the gradient profile. I've now got to decide whether I put my other projects on hold as I would certainly like to produce a homage to this route so the memory lives on.
 
Aye, I thought the Irish would close rail lines first, then run trains on them! :hehe:

What, no one laughing?? :'(

Going from the title, their seems to be many posts that may (note may, not will) be closing.

Oh well, at least they don't build fire stations back to front like the media claim the NSW government did at Bathurst, NSW.

PS: Do they need some sort of Act of Parliament to officially close a rail and just use the lame excuse "service suspended" like the Australian NSW government does, or do they just officially close them by saying XYZ will/has now been closed?

Edit: I haven't heard the name before, but for some reason it the name sounds familar. :o
 
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I'm not sure what the process is in Ireland.

It seems the line has been left to run down in recent years with only one train a day in each direction (it used to be two, connecting in and out of the Fishguard ferry sailings) which are not run at a time when people are likely to use them. the line also used to see heavy seasonal freight traffic (sugar beet) but I expect that all goes by road too.
 
Line closed.

Newcommuter service introduced two years ago not utilised. Irishrail say that sales only covered 2% of cost of running the line.

They did not factor in the cost of paying a taxi service to return staff to either Waterford or Wexford daily (due to union aggreement)

But they have reopened the Galway to Limerick line - travel by road 1hr travel by train 2 hrs - at this rate it will not last.
 
But they have reopened the Galway to Limerick line - travel by road 1hr travel by train 2 hrs - at this rate it will not last.
And that's the way the road lobby & oil companies want it. For example, the people/company who brought the proper LA street car/tram (or similar term) system.
 
I read about this whilst browsing in WH Smith's. The monthly mag has a tram and Irish/N.Irish sections. It appears that the line is not just under used but very woefully so. Irish Rail worked out that it cost £80,000 a person to keep it open annually. Hardly surprising they want to shut it when almost no-one uses it!? In modern times rail there had a renaissance unlike the unfortunate cousins up north in Ulster. Re-openings there were not on the cards. Anyway, the economic situation in Southern Ireland was dire and even salaries physically cut so unfortunately rail has not been exempt. Other rail expansions will be sadly effected by the downturn too. Think this might include the reopening plans down the west side of the country?

Up in Ulster Local Councils in the far west were clubbing together in a campaign and used a rail expert from Dublin to advance their argument for bringing back rail north west of Portadown through Omagh on the old second route to Londonderry but it got put down out of hand. It is fortunate the Republic still has a reasonably spread system whereas in the North there is absolutely nothing left in the west and northwest at all. As a wee boy Portadown was major junction going the four points of the compass!
 
Well work on the TS2009 homage is underway.

I guess I can understand the economics and quite possibly something we may see here once the ConDem government really takes the gloves off. The logistics presumably didn't help, running the trains at they time they did and taxiing the traincrew to/from Waterford for the respective workings.

These trains were quite busy when I used them in the 80's but I guess the situation is also a reflection that most foot passengers these days from the UK to Ireland prefer to use the cheap airlines such as Ryanair or (Qu)Easyjet rather than the traditional rail/sea/rail crossing.
 
Always sad when any passenger line goes wherever. However I would say generally that there has been progress in the Irish Republic compared to years ago so that is something. Meanwhile I progress slowly with my present project on the whole of the modern NIR as a kind of homage too so to speak! (presently somewhere footering about between Portadown and Newry).
 
I remember reading a couple of years ago on an Irish forum huge arguments about the proposals to re-open the WestRail corridor in Ireland. It does seem strange that should be seen as more viable than the link to a ferry port, had the train times and traincrew arrangements been tweaked to provide a more cost effective and beneficial service.

I guess the sad reality is that any "local" service which only runs once or twice a day is not going to get people out of the cars and those who can't afford a car probably can't afford the rail fare either.

Track laying is going well, nearly reached Wellington Bridge from Rosslare and after completing/releasing the first section I fully intend to carry on from Waterford towards Limerick Jn.
 
Sounds good Vern. If you keep at your project and I keep on mine then it gives a wee bit of a foot in for something across the Irish Sea. There is an excellent route by Harcourt set in the days of steam and now we have something happening in the modern scene in two distinctive places - the IR and the NIR. Can't be bad?!
 
Primary track laying now done so turning to scenery placement. I quite like the new TS2009 grass textures, these can be placed close up without necessarily having to blend together. Now to try and find a suitable station to represent Waterford - modern office block style. I've found a couple on the DLS but these are Swiss models which have the SBB logo in a prominent position so need something more generic.
 
We used to travel from Reading to Dungarvan (mum's home town) each year during the late 50's to mid 60's. The train left Reading about 7:30 for the 04:00 sailing from Fishguard, and we'd get to Dungarvan sometime around 12:00. For some reason it's always stuck in my mind that the interior of the carriages was green.
Anyway, on a family visit about six years ago (by road), we looked in at Waterford station, and I thought what a good subject it would be for a model railway, with the cliffs and signal box. Also found that the (I think) Enterprise bar in Dungarvan had pictures of the old railway in the town. I can remember the ancient looking 0-6-0 tender loco with three or four wagons slowly crossing the road and taking the bridge across the river, away from the quay and towards the station.

I know you're modelling the modern era, but other scenes that come to mind from the past are the railbuses at Waterford, and the small boats netting salmon as we crossed the river.

Thanks for reviving a few happy memories, and good luck with the route.

Chris.
 
Rosslare-Waterford

hi,
i live near rosslare. i have also heard about this but alot locals have been protesting about it including local polititions and myself. there has been no signs of it closing since and trains are running as usual.
 
here is an extract from report in Irish Times.


http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0705/1224274035308.html

IRISH RAIL has announced that it will “suspend” its Rosslare to Waterford service on July 21st. Local people believe it will never actually resume.
The State-owned subsidiary of CIÉ has blamed a steep fall in passenger numbers and said the line is no longer economically viable.
The service has been operating just once daily – in each direction – with no Sunday service.
A morning train departs from Rosslare Europort at 7am and wends through south Co Wexford with stops at the villages of Bridgetown, Wellington Bridge, Ballycullane and Campile before arriving at Waterford’s Plunkett Station at 8.20am. The return journey leaves Waterford at 5.20pm and terminates at 6.35pm.
Passengers about to board the train at Waterford last Thursday evening had mixed views about the line’s closure.
Richard Miskella (74) said “it’s a real pity but if it’s not paying they can’t run a train” and he’d be “happy enough if it’s replaced with a good bus service”.
Barry Kehoe (44) lives in Co Westmeath but was holidaying in his native Wexford and was taking his children, Amy (4) and Oisín (18 months), to Wellington Bridge where they were being collected by car. He had heard about the line’s closure and was embarking on the short journey “for nostalgic reasons”.
As the 100-seat train pulled away from the platform, there were only 17 passengers on board.
According to Irish Rail, the service has “experienced very low patronage for many years” with the train carrying on average “approximately 25 passengers”.
The company also pointed out that the sugar beet freight business, “which sustained the viability of the line”, ceased in 2006 following the demise of sugar manufacturing in Ireland.
The line also suffered from a decline in the number of foot passengers arriving on ferries at Rosslare.
The service cost €4 million a year to operate but generated only about €40,000 from ticket sales. The closure will result in some 30 job losses – among them keepers who operated a network of manned crossings – but there will be “no forced redundancies”. Meanwhile, the company plans to launch a replacement bus service on the route to be operated by Bus Éireann which will terminate at Waterford Institute of Technology – to the advantage of students who had been using the rail service but had then to make their own way to the campus some two miles away.
Irish Rail officials said that new legislation meant that the tracks on the Rosslare-Waterford line “can’t be torn up for at least 10 years” in case there is a change of heart.
The company would also “explore the possibility of establishing a heritage railway on the route with interested parties, which would be of benefit to tourism in the area”.
Officially, the rail service cannot be halted until Irish Rail receives formal approval from the National Transport Authority, a new body established last year by the Minister for Transport with “responsibility for securing the provision of public passenger land transport services”.
A spokeswoman said the authority would make its decision after considering correspondence from interested parties – despite there being “no provision for public consultation under the 2009 Public Transport Act”. The authority is expecting to receive a submission “by July 16th” from the South-East Regional Authority.
This Clonmel-based organisation, which describes itself “as a regional tier of government in Ireland” and “to the forefront in identifying, articulating and addressing the deficiencies, development needs and investment priorities of the region” has hired “a consortium of consultants” including “one from the UK” to prepare its submission. A spokesman said the consultants would be paid €26,000 which represented “good value”.
A request from The Irish Times to discuss the closure of the railway with the Green Party’s Minister of State with special responsibility for sustainable transport was declined. His office said: “Minister Ciarán Cuffe is not available for interview on the issue and he would like to give the following comment: ‘The proposed suspension of services on the Rosslare-Waterford rail line is an operational matter for CIÉ in conjunction with the National Transport Authority’.”
BACK ON TRACK MIDLETON TO CORK REOPENED LAST YEAR: LAST JULY Minister for Transport Noel Dempsey presided over the reopening of the Midleton to Cork railway line which had been closed 46 years earlier.
The restoration of the service, originally launched in the mid- 19th century, cost €75 million and was funded by the Government’s Transport 21 initiative.
The Minister told the assembled guests that “for over a century, Midleton station served the needs of the people of the area” but that “in time, like so many other local stations, it fell victim to economic change and, perhaps also, to what was then our growing national infatuation with the private car”.
However, “our economy began to grow, and we began to appreciate the need for greater public transport, both to improve the competitiveness of Ireland in attracting investment and to protect and preserve our environment”.
 
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