Reskinning issues with a 222

Wow, they look brilliant! Particularly loving the XC version, I'm gonna be riding them often when I move to Bristol next year. Such a basic, beautiful livery. Your textures are perfect.

Again, fantastic work!

As for the Virgin 222, the main bit is done. Just needs the bit around the cab windows painting from black to red (which for the life of me I can not find!), the fairing painting from red to black (which I also can not find) and the changeable destinations. Should I send the body.tga file to you guys and see what you can do with it? :)

Would you consider uploading your XC 222? :) I only ask because it just blows mine into insignificance, and it would be a wonderful addition to the line I'm building and may even give me the push to build the Bristol - Manchester Piccadilly via Birmingham and Macclesfield route!

Regards, Jack
 
Seconded, the XC Voyager looks excellent, just needs the black roof alteration as Jack had done on the Virgin version to complete it.

@Scottish- A 3 way collaboration would be fine by me, time is a problem for me so if someone else has created an asset it helps massively if I don't have to start from scratch.

It's your call, I think UK Trainzers would be very happy with your work on the XC Voyager and if you're uneasy uploading anything I'm happy to upload it with credits as long as you give me permission, let us know what you think.
 
The black roof can be easily copied too. I did the one on the Virgin one from scratch to match the curved window. I'm also happy with a 3 way collaboration :) got quite a bit of free time on my hands at the moment so I can attempt things :)
 
@tmz and jack
I am OK with uploading the XC222 and the revised East Midlands222 with chameleon changeable destinations following your opinion that I would not be infringing the licence with what I have done.

I would do a bit of cleaning up on both versions and probably try an attachment mesh for the bodyside logos before uploading. I will also experiment with trying to improve the blurry junctions between colours in the livery (may not be possible because of the original texture mapping). Also I need to change the running numbers for 'number-it' to suit the XC fleet numbers.

I will float an idea for both of you to consider. Tmz could act as a consultant but not having to create from scratch, helping jack and I as we develop each of the versions and beta testing. Jack and I could act together, each doing our different re-skins and co-operating together, with jack sending his skins for me to create the destination library assets and doing the script work and config mods on all of the versions.

What is your opinion about fictional reskins in liveries of Companies who do not run 220 or 222's. For example East Coast, Grand Central etc? I have some which look excellent although not prototypical.

If we were to proceed along these lines, it is vital that jack and I are using the same mesh since there are a at least 3 versions which Peter released. They may all use the same meshes for body, attachments such as vents, and doors but it is possible that although the file names are the same, they may be different.

I would prefer to take my time on this work to get it a good as possible and not rush things. I also am quite busy for the next few weeks.

Scottish
 
That sounds fine to me, Scottish :) just to be clear, would we be creating the DMSO, DMFO, MFO and MSO units of each? I think a 222 in Grand Central would look great! I also think a Northern Rail/ex FNW one may look rather good, like the 180's did in this livery:

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&r...wmwu2Qt9MI4054S_1THU2qZw&ust=1375993197334419

and maybe even a First Great Western one? :) of course, the numbering would have to be made up for these four operators: East Coast, Grand Central, Northern Rail/Ex-First North Western and First Great Western, but I think it'll be a very fun project and so worthwhile in the end when they get on the DLS :)

As for the blurriness, I don't think it's possible. I too increased the image size and re-drew the whole thing and that didn't work at all. We may just have to put up with this. It really isn't noticeable from any further than a few metres away anyway, and no Trainz train is completely un-blurry (making words up to illustrate my point)

Edit: Also, Scottish, does your Cross Country 222 have Manchester Piccadilly as a destination? :)

Jack
 
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That all sounds fine with me as well.

Re blurring, try the following and see if it helps- start Trainz, in the main menu click the main menu button on the top left and select options. Under video settings reset the anisotropy to a higher level. I understand that this may affect performance but it may show that your reskin is actually fine and it's the Trainz settings that are causing the blur. Reset to suit your own system after that.

Agreed that you should use the same mesh as a start point, and help yourself to any logos on my XC HST or the Virgin 57 if it helps.

I only ever work with prototypical liveries but have no problems with whatever you want to do.

Looking at the bogies I gather only class 220s are possible unless there is a suitable bogie for a 221 from another asset that anyone can recommend?

Any thoughts on nameplates, the alternative is to have none and blank out the 222 plates with alphablanks?
 
I must say, turning the anisotropy up the other day did help my rolling stock a lot :)

Are there any Class 220 bogies out there? I thought the only one was the Railwaves payware one, but if there's one available then I'm sure it'd be pretty easy to sort out :)

As for the name plates, I've already created a Mancunian Voyager one for my XC 222. Because it was taken as a photo by someone else and I found it on google, I'm gonna have to get rid of it if we were to release it and try and get my own, but I thought it'd do as an interim stage :) how would we make the name plates? As for the actual names, I have an idea:

XC: Manchester, Bristol, Newquay, York
EMT: Sheffield, London, Nottingham, York
Northern: Manchester, Leeds, Preston, Liverpool
FGW: London, Bristol, Hereford, Reading

...all ending in Voyager, of course :)

Jack
 
The 222 bogie will do for the 220 only as it looks similar, what do you think? The 221 bogies allow the bodies to tilt and have sideframes so look different. I'd therefore advise not doing a 221 unless there's a suitable bogie on the DLS.

For the nameplates you could use a blank alpha to remove them.

It is possible to create the plates as I've created hundreds from scratch over the years but doubt I'd have the time to do all of them for the Voyager. I'll maybe try one or two for testing?
 
Right, I've created 220004's nameplate and a template with only the word Voyager on, if you can reply to that pm I sent you Jack I'll send you the graphics.
 
Hiya tmz, I've just checked and I don't have a message :( I'll certainly be able to create the nameplates, though. All I'll need is the font and size, I can get the colour etc...using tools on GIMP2 :)

Jack
 
I got this message when I tried the pm just now, that probably explains why my last pm didn't get through:

JackClare1995 has exceeded their stored private messages quota and cannot accept further messages until they clear some space.

Didn't notice it last time!!
 
Glad you have the plates now, there seems to be some delay in our e-mails getting through so hang on an hour or two as I have been answering all your messages.
 
@tmz and jack,

Although you have not heard from me in the last few hours, I have quite a bit going on at the moment so I am only checking my computer once a day.

What I have been doing is going back over my existing 222 re-skins to remind me what else I had to do to deal with things which needed fixing in some of the dependancies and the script. I used modified dependancies for the gangway and the couplers, changed the horn and the enginesound.

I need to look into whether going back to the original dependancies where they have been changed in the DLS clean-up will work correctly. By the way, I set my re-skins as build 2.9 to cover the widest range of Trainz Versions.

There are 5 versions of Peter's 222 on the DLS (East Midlands, East Midlands Mainline Livery, Midlands Mainline, Hull Trains and First Hull). They may be simply re-skins of the same meshes but there may be some differences. I used the East Midlands model because it had working doors etc (The complete DMFO, DMSO, MCO, MFO, MSO, MSRMB set). Jack, did you use a different model?

I will PM both of you with my email address, could both of you send me yours. We need to sort out a system between us of who is doing what so that we do not duplicate each other.

Scottish
 
I've mailed you back :) I used the Hull Trains model to do my reskins, but it does come with opening doors and such. I reskinned the DMSO, DMFO, MSO and MSRMB units into Cross Country but I would much rather go with your reskin as it better illustrates everything about the beauty of the livery.

I assume the dependencies will all be fine :) I also reckon we could probably change the engine spec. The train will do 0 - 20mph in about 8 seconds under throttle 2, and I have got 75mph out of it in throttle 2 once before on the ECML...before I gave up on running on that route. Could we perhaps change it to the Class 43 engine spec? They both have the same top speed and I think with the Class 43 engine spec, it would accelerate under Cab controls as if it weren't on DCC mode, unlike now where it sets off like a Jaaaaag.

Jack
 
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