reskin permission from people who left?

Why do you need permission for something that's freeware? If anyone can download it for free on the DLS, why get permission, as long as you acknowledge the original creator. That's something that's always bothered me, people being all uptight about getting permission for stuff that everyone already has, or has open access to.

Just my thoughts and questions.

-Joe

One issue that hasn't been touched on is textures. Some of mine I have specific permission from the copyright owners to use them but I do not have permission to allow others to modify or use them. This has been a problem sometimes when people have wanted to reskin some of my work.

Cheerio John
 
I did check the config file for the license but there is nothing there. Does that mean there is nothing wrong with releasing a reskin?

Also I realized that there are a few reskins of Magicland's PRR observation on the DS. Does the fact that there have been several releases already, allow people to release a reskin without permission?

Just questions that pop up in my head.

Matt
 
I did check the config file for the license but there is nothing there. Does that mean there is nothing wrong with releasing a reskin?

Matt

Exactly the opposite. If a config license specifically allows release then you can. In the absence of specific permission either in the config or from the creator you can't. Period.

Andy
 
I did check the config file for the license but there is nothing there. Does that mean there is nothing wrong with releasing a reskin?

Also I realized that there are a few reskins of Magicland's PRR observation on the DS. Does the fact that there have been several releases already, allow people to release a reskin without permission?

Just questions that pop up in my head.

Matt

Perhaps, an alternative could be, searching the DLS for an identical item, and then reach out to that creator for permission.

If that doesn't work, my suggestion is stored in your files and wait!

BTW -- I have not seem Magicland since I got back into the forum in Sept, etc ... so it could be a while, I speculate!!

Ish
 
Exactly the opposite. If a config license specifically allows release then you can. In the absence of specific permission either in the config or from the creator you can't. Period.

Andy

Yeah, I totally agree with this one, Andy --- it could get confuse to those folks who doesn't normally work with contents day in, day out ...

Through my years here II have encouraged creators who have left this blank to make a short note, as either freeware or not, etc!

Ish
 
Just out of curiosity.

What's the situation if you create a reskin and distribute just the TGA file, which is your own original creation. Anyone can merge it with the original 3d model if they like to but they can not redistribute that combinded model.
 
I like that idea, but what about those people who dont like to mess with the files. Most people prefer just to download the whole thing.
 
Just out of curiosity.

What's the situation if you create a reskin and distribute just the TGA file, which is your own original creation. Anyone can merge it with the original 3d model if they like to but they can not redistribute that combinded model.

That would be acceptable if you have completely recreated the texture but if you have only modified it then you hit the copyright thing and recreating it so it maps correctly is very hard to do.

Cheerio John
 
sometimes people take months off trainz, like I did last year in which I was away for 8 months, and came back, etc ...

So, is that waiting game too!!

Magic can easily show out of nowhere!!!

Just my 2 cents ... LOL

Ish
 
Hello all,

I have a new question regarding all of this. If I reskinned a reskin of the observation and got permission by the reskinner, do I still need permission by Magicland?

Matt
 
Hello all,
I have a new question regarding all of this. If I reskinned a reskin of the observation and got permission by the reskinner, do I still need permission by Magicland?
Matt

Matt,
Yes !!! the re-skinner doesn't own the copyrights to the content, so you would still need Magiclands permission. (that's my understanding of the rules relating to Trainz contents copyrights)...
I assume you have tried to contact Jeff (Barr) - http://forums.auran.com/trainz/member.php?u=28843 - http://www.protrainz.com/ - If not, try PM'ing & e-mailing him. What have you got to loose.
Cheers, Mac...
 
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I know this is a little off-topic of the OP. But I have always been confused on copyright issues on the real logos, colors and engines/objects. How does copyright work there. Like using the Swift logo on trailers and the Union Pacific Shield. Obviously those are trademarked and copyrighted under the real companies. But you dont need permission from them to use it or do you?

hert:o
 
My Humble Opinion: Fair use. You are using them in a way that promotes their company, in a non detrimental way, like wearing a Pepsi tee-shirt. It's free advertising for them, and it would be dumb for them to complain. As far as road names of the past, we help keep them alive and the gang who proudly worked there might just like that too.
 
I know this is a little off-topic of the OP. But I have always been confused on copyright issues on the real logos, colors and engines/objects. How does copyright work there. Like using the Swift logo on trailers and the Union Pacific Shield. Obviously those are trademarked and copyrighted under the real companies. But you dont need permission from them to use it or do you?

hert:o

Technically yes. I believe Auran have licences for the trademarks of some of the US railroads. UP may be one of them IIRC.

In general, though, very few companies object to their trademarks being given free additional exposure, so long as they are not presented in a derogatory way. It's also generally the case that companies would ask you to remove any offending content before taking legal action.

Paul
 
You do run the risk of a lawsuit if you are using a copyrighted image to earn money. You could be prosecuted for any use, make no mistake, but the risk is greater if you are profiting from the use.
 
Joe,

It really doesn't matter how you interpret the law, it only matters how the judge interprets the law.

Quite honestly, I didn't bother to read anything here except the original post and Euphod's response, which is often winsomely, but not always my way of thinking. In this case, as I often do, I agree!

Just do it. let the "offended owner" take you to court. let the judge decide! Guys, we're really talking here about who owns copyright to the dots above the "iiiii's". Who really cares, who's going to give a damn and who's going to take you to the judge? If you can't get in touch with the original owner, he or she probably couldn't give a hoot anyway. Just give them credit and move on.

Let's enjoy this hobby and let's stop getting bogged down with our own self B****y importance or the self-importance of others!
 
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I know this is a little off-topic of the OP. But I have always been confused on copyright issues on the real logos, colors and engines/objects. How does copyright work there. Like using the Swift logo on trailers and the Union Pacific Shield. Obviously those are trademarked and copyrighted under the real companies. But you dont need permission from them to use it or do you?

hert:o
Reagrding American railroads,
1 - If you upload to DLS you are covered. I asked this of Auran a while back (and actually had a response) that they have all the license issues taken care of to cover any user uploading to DLS.
2 - If you upload to a third party site, you need to cover yourself. UP, BNSF and CSX I know have parts of their site providing information about this though getting a response may be worse than Auran service (I once emailed BNSF a queation about licensing, never got a response). You can also ask creators who have been down this path for advice on how they handled it. World of Trainz and RRMods are ones I know of offhand who have tried to respect the whole issue by how they release items.
 
Once again I have my views on that. UP and BNSF have both been known to come down quite heavily on commercial people cashing in on their corporate trademarks, and so they should. many years ago, Auran was criticised for not supplying UP stuff with Trainz. They actually did a pilgrimage to the US of A to sort that one out and nearly fell on their feet as a result. (See another post of mine somewhere else in these forums a day or so ago.)

The question is, could they (UP et al) ever be bothered chasing after a 14 year old with an eye for creating great content? I doubt it very much! Auran probably has a duty of care in allowing the stuff to be placed on the DLS however. In many cases, it's akin to piracy and they would be seen to be supporting it in the same way as the P2P search engines.

What you do outside Auran is actually none of their business, so if you wish to use the stuff privately, or even share it with your friends, that's your balminess, and your business alone. If UP bothers to contact you, the best you'll ever get will be a letter asking you to desist. The operative word there being "asking:"

Every enterprise wants to promote their products and corporate image whenever they can. KFC will never challenge privateers (no pirateers) who use their branding in a responsible way. If you want to do it commercially, that's another story. Always use corporate branding in a way that promotes the company and they'll love you forever. Degrade them and expect a nasty response. Degrading can be a simple thing like showing signage with some of the words blacked out, or even graffiti on the walls.

Just ask yourself this very simple question and answer it like a responsible adult: "Would I be offended by this if it was my company?" If the answer is "No", then you're relatively safe.

To repeat myself for the millionth time. Stop worrying, build whatever you want and enjoy doing it. Just don't expect Auran to accept it on the DLS because it may be legally or plainly unethical.
 
Why do you need permission for something that's freeware? If anyone can download it for free on the DLS, why get permission, as long as you acknowledge the original creator. That's something that's always bothered me, people being all uptight about getting permission for stuff that everyone already has, or has open access to.

Just my thoughts and questions.

-Joe

Hi Joe,

Our most frequent and loved license at IBerTrainZ assets says:

"Contact us"

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license                            "Contact us"
I think no more is needed. Afterwards We can talk about trainzy matters, human and godly ones. ;)

The contacting side of Alberte :wave:
 
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