Requesting Content

[BigBoyFan4006]

I made a post a couple a weeks ago leaving hints, but no one seemed to catch them. So I'm just going to out and out say it.

I would like to request this bad boy:

And/or one of these two halve versions:

The former is the first locomotive to use the Franco-Crosti preheater system that was built and tested in Belgium. The two latter locomotives are Franco-Crosti locomotives that were built at the request of the Sanger Company of Bremen in Germany. The only differences are the wheel arrangements, the cabs, and the Belgium loco was double-ended while the German locos were single-ended.

More info here: http://www.aqpl43.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/LOCOLOCO/francocrosti/francocrosti.htm

Anyone think they could make one/both of them?

(BTW, feel free to explore the website in the link. It has many other interesting locomotives. Enjoy! )

 

[davesnow]

Greetings from Jonesboro (Arkansas)! If you want those locomotives, I fear you may have to make them yourself. Of course, there is always a learning curve in the software that is used to create assets, but it isn't impossible.

To hint or to just "come right out and say it" that you WANT these locomotives is putting you in the precarious position of possibly being labled a "gimme pig" here on these otherwise friendly forums.

Requests are always fine, but don't expect a content creator to drop everything he or she is doing and make something for you.

Just a little friendly advice!


Cheers,

Dave

 

[oknotsen]

Your "request" can be interrelated in various way, which way did you have in mind?
- You want to hire a content creator. If so, how much $ are you thinking about spending?
- You are requesting information on how to start making this content yourself. If so, are you looking for open source solutions or investing money in software?
- You are hoping for someone who has already picked up the plan to build this content and you like to know who.
Which of these options do you have in mind? Or maybe an alternative option?

Creating content, and specifically rolling stock, takes a lot of time. We are not talking hours but more in the range of weeks or months.

Edit: And in the time it took me to write my post, I see Dave wrote something similar :hehe:.

 

[hauntedclipp]

Over the years I've been here, I've seen people who request content are much more likely to have their requests becoming reality if the one who requested it took the time to find appropriate plans for whatever he/she is requesting.
Otherwise, the chances of anything coming out of it are slim.

 

[captainkman]

Over the years I've been here, I've seen people who request content are much more likely to have their requests becoming reality if the one who requested it took the time to find appropriate plans for whatever he/she is requesting.
Otherwise, the chances of anything coming out of it are slim.

This has worked for me a grand total of 3 times.

After I sucked up to the creator by supplying them with drawings for other locos they wanted to make.

Kieran.

 

[johnwhelan]

I made a post a couple a weeks ago leaving hints, but no one seemed to catch them. So I'm just going to out and out say it.

I would like to request this bad boy:


And/or one of these two halve versions:


The former is the first locomotive to use the Franco-Crosti preheater system that was built and tested in Belgium. The two latter locomotives are Franco-Crosti locomotives that were built at the request of the Sanger Company of Bremen in Germany. The only differences are the wheel arrangements, the cabs, and the Belgium loco was double-ended while the German locos were single-ended.

More info here: http://www.aqpl43.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/LOCOLOCO/francocrosti/francocrosti.htm

Anyone think they could make one/both of them?

(BTW, feel free to explore the website in the link. It has many other interesting locomotives. Enjoy! )

A lot depends on the interest of the content creator. First getting hold of a good set of plans and side on photographs are about a third of the job. Then you get into does someone have a few bits lying around in the bit box? I've seen one UK content creator turn out a new UK steam loco in three hours from the bit box.

Are there any bogies that have the correct wheel arrangement. If so that's half the battle. The top isn't that bad too do. I've taken two years to build a coach from scratch so you can tell it varies enormously how much time it takes.

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Trainz/Tutorial_for_Blender#Newcomers_start_here and do the moving house tutorial http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Trainz/Tutorial_for_Blender#Trainz_Specific_Moving_House_tutorial

Basically the loco is a box with attachment points for the bogies so if you can recycle the bogies from something else that's the most difficult part done.

Cheerio John

 

[BigBoyFan4006]

Hm, from the looks of it, I'm going to have to get off my lazy butt and do it myself. Thanks for the input guys. I wasn't exactly trying to sound like a "gimme pig" as davesnow put it. :hehe: I was simply seeing if anyone would be interested in making it. Hmmm... Looks like I may have to rethink my approach on this.

 

[BigBoyFan4006]

Greetings from Jonesboro (Arkansas)!

It's nice to know that there are fellow Arkansans out there!

To hint or to just "come right out and say it" that you WANT these locomotives is putting you in the precarious position of possibly being labled a "gimme pig" here on these otherwise friendly forums.

I wouldn't want that to happen. lol

Requests are always fine, but don't expect a content creator to drop everything he or she is doing and make something for you.

I wasn't exactly expecting someone to do it. But you never know, eh?

 

[BigBoyFan4006]

Your "request" can be interrelated in various way, which way did you have in mind?
- You want to hire a content creator. If so, how much $ are you thinking about spending?
- You are requesting information on how to start making this content yourself. If so, are you looking for open source solutions or investing money in software?
- You are hoping for someone who has already picked up the plan to build this content and you like to know who.
Which of these options do you have in mind? Or maybe an alternative option?

Alternative option: just seeing if anyone was interested. lol

Creating content, and specifically rolling stock, takes a lot of time. We are not talking hours but more in the range of weeks or months.

I am aware that it takes a while to make content for Trainz and I wasn't expecting it to be finished in just a few days.

 

[robster14]

M420

I would like these very much

 

[BigBoyFan4006]

I would like these very much

Excuse me for asking, but why did you post this on here? I mean seriously, this has nothing to do with the thread!

 

[bendorsey]

The first photo shows a definitely interesting (and quite different) loco. I'd be curious as to what RR its was built for, and so on. Its not an American style articulated or a Garratt yet it appears to have some characteristics of both.

Is it a compound (4 HP cylinders exhausting into 4 LP cylinders)? It would almost have to be as that boiler doesn't look big enough to supply steam to 8 HP cylinders.

All in all a neat gadget no mater the who, what where, how, and when, lol.

Thanks for the photo.

Ben

 

[BigBoyFan4006]

The first photo shows a definitely interesting (and quite different) loco. I'd be curious as to what RR its was built for, and so on. Its not an American style articulated or a Garratt yet it appears to have some characteristics of both.

It is a strange contraption, isn't it? BTW, "American style articulated" locos are technically named Mallets.

Is it a compound (4 HP cylinders exhausting into 4 LP cylinders)? It would almost have to be as that boiler doesn't look big enough to supply steam to 8 HP cylinders.

The website doesn't really say as far as I know. As far as I can tell it has a simple cylinder layout. And judging by the size of the cylinders, I'd say they're HP.

All in all a neat gadget no mater the who, what where, how, and when, lol.

Thanks for the photo.

Ben

It is a neat locomotive. That's why I requested it. :hehe: And you're plenty welcome for the photos!

 

[dragonharh]

Hmm this may look interesting as long as its never been done already.

robster was that unit done for MSTS ? it may be a worth wile make.

 

[bendorsey]

My use of the term "American style articulateds" was referring the arrangement of the 2 engines - not the original design (locos with 2 LP cylinders exhausting into 2 HP cylinders). More specifically the fact that the rear set was attached to the rear of the boiler and the front set allowed to swivel underneath the boilers front. In other words a non-Garratt arrangement. This loco (whatever kind it is, lol) is neither and both.at the same time.

Want to start a real discussion? What's its wheel arrangement under the Whyte system.

From the looks of it appears to be closer in some respects to a Garratt so it might be a 0-6-2+2-6-0+0-6-2+2-6-0 (I think, lol). Its a little difficult to see.

Ben (stirring the pot good-naturedly).

 

[robster14]

yeah but it was never completed I don't think but it looks the business

 

[John514]

It might be a little bit off, but, this topic could evolve as an "Ideas" topic, where content creators find interesting content to create.

 

[BigBoyFan4006]

My use of the term "American style articulateds" was referring the arrangement of the 2 engines - not the original design (locos with 2 LP cylinders exhausting into 2 HP cylinders). More specifically the fact that the rear set was attached to the rear of the boiler and the front set allowed to swivel underneath the boilers front.

I apologize if I sounded like I was trying to correct you. To me, whether it's "American style" or the original Mallet design, there both Mallets. I just call them simple Mallets or compound Mallets based on their respected cylinder arrangement. But I see what your saying.

This loco (whatever kind it is, lol) is neither and both.at the same time.

Hmm, interesting way to put it. To me, it's something entirely different. Or in other words, no known articulation type.

Want to start a real discussion? What's its wheel arrangement under the Whyte system.

From the looks of it appears to be closer in some respects to a Garratt so it might be a 0-6-2+2-6-0+0-6-2+2-6-0 (I think, lol). Its a little difficult to see.

Ben (stirring the pot good-naturedly).

The website says the wheel arrangement is 0-6-2+2-4-2-4-2+2-6-0 (quite a mouth full, huh? lol), and the two smaller versions' are 0-6-2+2-6-2T. The larger version, in my opinion, has it's own articulation system (what I like to call the Franco-Crosti Configuration. lol). But the smaller versions' wheel arrangement looks like a Garratt wheel arrangement, with the exception of the "T". But it almost looks like they use an articulation system similar to a Mallet/"American style", except that the front engines aren't attached to the rear engines in the same way that a Mallet/"American style" is. So I guess that you could say that the smaller versions are hybrids of Mallet/"American style" and Garratt. But this is what I think.

Bonus discussion: What is the wheel arrangement (Whyte) of this beast:

The picture comes from: http://www.aqpl43.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/LOCOLOCO/petiet/frexp.htm. It's the same website as the Franco-Crosti pics. The guy who made the website tries to explain it as a 2-6-2 (bottom of http://www.aqpl43.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/LOCOLOCO/belgian/smashsys.htm), which would imply 2 pilot wheels, 6 driving wheels, and 2 trailing wheels, which is wrong. The two outside wheels are driven, while the six inside wheels are not. I think it would be best described as a 0-2-6-2-0. But that could be completely wrong.

 

[bendorsey]

Absolutely no offense taken what so ever.

If all 8 cylinders are HP, how does the boiler produce sufficient steam? Only solution I can see is if the cylinders are smaller in diameter then normal and what's the advantage in that? None that I can see. Other then the potential for less weight in reciprocating motion and at he speeds this probably ran at that wouldn't matter much (if at all).

This was obviously an experiment (otherwise he continent would have been over run with them, lol). The goal might have been increased tractive effort while maintaining existing agility. On the down side would have been the increased complexity and difficulty of maintenance.

I've made multi-bogey traincars up to sixteen 6-wheel bogeys so I could make that part of this but I've never even made an 0-4-0T so I'd be in light years over my head with this.

Bet it would be a fun loco to operate in Trainz though.

Ben

 

[BigBoyFan4006]

If all 8 cylinders are HP, how does the boiler produce sufficient steam? Only solution I can see is if the cylinders are smaller in diameter then normal and what's the advantage in that? None that I can see. Other then the potential for less weight in reciprocating motion and at he speeds this probably ran at that wouldn't matter much (if at all).

I think that the idea was that the preheater units (the parts at the end of the locomotives) would heat the water so the boiler wouldn't have to work so hard producing steam, thus producing more steam. The guy on the website explains it better than I can. Take a look: http://www.aqpl43.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/LOCOLOCO/francocrosti/francocrosti.htm

This was obviously an experiment (otherwise he continent would have been over run with them, lol). The goal might have been increased tractive effort while maintaining existing agility. On the down side would have been the increased complexity and difficulty of maintenance.

I believe the goal, as with the later preheater locomotives, was to increase fuel efficiency. I doubt it was tractive effort as 66% of it's weight was used for adhesion. But the tests were a success as it did everything they designed it to do.