Regarding built-in content license policy
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BLACKWATCH
Mechanical Engineer
If there's no licence, there's no licence, release & let the person who couldn't be bothered to protect their interest take it to court.
Very few will, because it costs too much to hire lawyers who will take such a trivial matter to the courts, as being worth the effort.
Very few will, because it costs too much to hire lawyers who will take such a trivial matter to the courts, as being worth the effort.
shaneturner12
Tutorial Creator
If it's built-in content, it requires N3V's permission to upload any changed versions (contacting Helpdesk is the best policy here, as they can confirm the exact policy regarding built-ins).
Shane
Shane
BLACKWATCH
Mechanical Engineer
But you don't require any permission from N3V to upload it to any other site. They don't have 'Carte Blanche' on Trainz assets.
Very blunt way of putting it. I do things by the book, so unless I can find the original license, then it will remain a personal creation. Blackwatch, maybe changing your attitude toward content creators might be a little helpful too.
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Thank you Shane. I'll do that promptly.
Your attitude toward content creators and their assets continues to astound me. A creator's interest is protected whether there's a license in the config or not. It may cost too much to take it to court, but that still doesn't make it okay to do. Stealing is stealing, whether it's something tangible or intellectual property.
Mike
shaneturner12
Tutorial Creator
They don't on other sites, but they do on the Download Station, and have the ability to revoke Download Station upload rights in some circumstances.
Shane
Shane
BLACKWATCH
Mechanical Engineer
I don't follow the policy I have stated, (look at posts I've made where posters have not had a registered version).
I will make any adjustments to any asset for my own use, but I will NOT share even with registered users. I made my posts to point
out that the attitude of some users on these boards has struck me, in particular, I have noticed that one (there are probably others) poster
has given info to 'non registered users', even after 3-4 posts have been made stating that registration is needed before help will be given, I
don't want to "name & shame", but the poster in question is CASCADERAILROAD. If you don't believe me, just check out some of his replies to unregistered users.
shaneturner12
Tutorial Creator
I completely agree with you Mike, and I know that N3V also adopt a similar policy.
Shane
BLACKWATCH
Mechanical Engineer
Shane, please read my post at #9
shaneturner12
Tutorial Creator
Seems I must have missed that one whilst composing my reply.
I will respond to that one separately.
Shane
I will respond to that one separately.
Shane
shaneturner12
Tutorial Creator
I know what you mean by what ************** has done (name removed as it's already in your reply) . I'm one that 'stands by my guns' when it comes to dealing with unregistered users - I managed to help get one banned last year for having an illegal copy of the game.
Shane
Shane
Interesting, I'd think that uploading to the DLS would be the ONLY place it would be ok, since it's a controlled environment where the original is available to the same audience that will have access to your version. So long as you make it clear what you did and what the original author did, I don't see it as a foul.
Case in point, a bridge that I attached a different road to. I got it from the DLS, the author was unavailable, there was no license. I changed the road surface, *amended* the description to explain what I did, and uploaded it.
The people who can get mine, can get the original.
The people who can get the original, can't get mine (as in original is TRS2004 I think, and mine is 2009 or 2010).
What's important to me is that I don't feel I made any moral misstep in doing so. Further, I will NOT upload it anywhere else, since that would allow access to literally anyone on Earth.
Case in point, a bridge that I attached a different road to. I got it from the DLS, the author was unavailable, there was no license. I changed the road surface, *amended* the description to explain what I did, and uploaded it.
The people who can get mine, can get the original.
The people who can get the original, can't get mine (as in original is TRS2004 I think, and mine is 2009 or 2010).
What's important to me is that I don't feel I made any moral misstep in doing so. Further, I will NOT upload it anywhere else, since that would allow access to literally anyone on Earth.
BLACKWATCH
Mechanical Engineer
Thank you Shane,
Count me in the same 'club', I back you all the way, all registered users should do the same.
Frogpipe, I believe your post means you uphold the same principle within bounds.
Count me in the same 'club', I back you all the way, all registered users should do the same.
Frogpipe, I believe your post means you uphold the same principle within bounds.
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shaneturner12
Tutorial Creator
I agree. Coincidentally, I have a tutorial on how to register a serial number with N3V - the link's in the thread in my signature. It may come in useful when telling people how to register their version.
Shane
Shane
That is exactly where this update to City and Country USA would be going. In fact the majority of my content will most likely be on the DLS, save for a couple reskins of Ben's steamers, which I have obtained permission to upload to the Trainz NS Railz website. I have one nearly done, just needs a couple tweaks and a couple KUIDs changed and it'll be ready to go.
Go be number 25 who uploads a route with that name to the DLS after the two original versions of Auran. First dates back to February 2012, so if they had any problems with someone (again) uploading a changed version of that route N3V had more then enough time to act. Or go be number 12 who uploaded a session with that name. 
Well enough. I just don't understand why you would post it in the first place. It gives the impression that it's okay to do. If I misjudged or misread, I apologize. I will always try to protect the rights of intellectual creations and come off rather harsh about it sometimes. If we don't take such things seriously, then we begin down a slippery slope of what's okay to modify/upload and what's not. Some creators have stopped creating and uploading because of just such attitudes by some. I very seldom upload anything anymore other than to upload an updated version of an asset occasionally.
Best wishes from across the pond.
Mike