Railworks 3 to be released in september

[BNSF650]

If anybody here is going to get RW3 this would be the way to go. Its on sale for 20 bucks and everybody who has RW2 gets RW3 is a free upgrade

http://www.fspilotshop.com/product_info.php?products_id=2425

 

[IsambardKingdomBrunel]

post deleted

 

[sniper297]

Preciously Polite Prissy Poufs

You think you got problems, I looked up "rude" in the dictionary and I still don't get what they're going on about.

 

[rjhowie]

Oh dear, some unfortunate turn of language and descriptions there! Giving us a compliment at the same time is in itelf perilously near to being patronising there IKB! I did try RW once and decided to stick with Trainz due to ease. I tend to feel like wholbr said a couple of pages back that Trainz seems overly emphasised to across the pond these days and that may tempt some folk here.. Well it's a big country the US but most folk from GB tend to be passenger orientated (obvious in the routes created) and in America the opposite as both reflect the state of rail in their respective countries. So as much a discussion point as well as which simulator is the most reasonable for the average person. I have said in the past that I sigh when this Trainz v RW comes up time and time again and niggles start creeping in and it becomes more confrontational which is a pity. But I won't start a war over it I can freely have the freedom to of course ignore the debate or when it degenerates.......

 

[wholbr]

Hi Everybody.
As usual rjhowie gives the thread debate a sense of proportion in his posting. Both Railworks and Trainz have their strengths and weaknesses when compared to each other. Like rjhowie I find surveyor in Trainz far easier to use than the Railworks world editor.

I have never managed to create anything meaningful with the world editor, in fact when ever I try to join two pieces of track together I always finish up with two buffers facing one another (LoL).

The above stated, I do find Railworks more realistic when running a scenario due to the switches etc being more prototypical. I also find the editor can create scenarios very quickly and easily as compared to Trainz sessions.

However, the above are just my opinions and obviously from the arguments in this thread and the many other threads on the same in the last few years others would have totally different opinions. Therefore I believe it is for each user to decide whether in either of the simulators the user can find the best, easiest and most prototypical way of producing or creating what they wish.

I therefore believe based on the above that there is no need for these continuous comparisons and arguments which so often degenerate into personal abuse and attacks, It is a simple fact that users often find what they are looking for in just one of the simulators and therefore their judgment and opinion is colored by that fact.

as I stated in an earlier posting on this thread and repeated by rjhowie, there does now seem to be a divergence between Trainz and Railworks in the fact that Trainz is becoming much more American both in the simulator and on this forum. By contrast Railworks does seem to be much more Europe based and that would seem to be driving a divergence in the membership of both simulators and forums.

Bill
NB:- if anybody has been following my postings on various threads regarding my efforts in trying to find a person to join me in my business, well I think I have found somebody in the form of a mature student undergraduate who is now thinking of giving up at University and joining me (looks very promising). It's already given me more free time for my train simulators and the forum.
I bet there's a few upset about that

 

[H222]

Trainz CE
Trainz
UTC
TRS2004
TRS2006
TC1
TC2
TC3
TS2009
My 1st Trainz
TS2010 EE/ TS MAC
TS12


Maybe??

Jamie

 

[wholbr]

Trainz CE
Trainz
UTC
TRS2004
TRS2006
TC1
TC2
TC3
TS2009
My 1st Trainz
TS2010 EE/ TS MAC
TS12


Maybe??

Jamie

With all due respect to your posting, Maybe What?
Bill

 

[H222]

Maybe that's how they counted it

Jamie

 

[Vern]

On the subject of UK cabs, which I know IKB is keen on, I just purchased the IHH Class 26 (which of course I can't discuss at UKTS) and the cab is superb. Afraid it really shows up the Class 26 bundled in TS12. Sly also seems to have got the sound and physics spot on, along with the remaining visuals of course.

 

[IsambardKingdomBrunel]

post deleted

 

[wholbr]

Why is it patronising, i say what i think.

Not dress it all up in some poncy twonk speak.

IKB.

steady IKB think of the blood pressure. Whats a twonk anyway?

Great to see you on the forum and I suppose we are both looking forward to the free Railworks upgrade in September.Do you know where Vern purchased the IHH class 22 from as I cannot see it on the railsim downloads and no one is allowed to mention IHH over at UKtrainsm. It is on the IHH website but you cannot download it from there it seems.

Bill
apologies for mentioning the above on the Trainz forum I am sure you will understand

 

[rjhowie]

I am no ponce IKB, I live in Glasgow which is a gritty down to earth ordinary person's city so there. I suspect it would have you for breakfast! Indeed I grew up in a slum in my young years and still have a picture of it and worked hard made my place in community work helping people got a good job became a judge and so on. Never did I forget my rooots but that working class start has no similarity to your ignorant ranting.

But you are being patronising.You pride yourself on being direct when in fact it comes over as immature using childish language and slagging folk. This was emphasised by you saying we are better here on this forum? What by accepting your lack of respect and crudeness that puts us in yiur camp? Heaven forbid that insults those of us here who use our grey cells before allowing the mouth to fall open on it's own and nonsense flow out. That is not being somehow principled direct it is being ignorant. Somehow you have morphed the idea of directness in it having to be disparaging about people. You seem to have a class prejudice that is a lack and shows a character weakness. Just because people do not agree does not make them ponces or arrogant middle class. Indeed I know many working class heroes who are painfully ignorant and sook up every stupid tv reality show with fervour. So ignorance and poncy has no social grounds and you have adequately given us all a wonderful example of that stance. By all means be direct but you will lose respect for you argument by your chip-on-the-shoulder attitude. You even make poncy somehow better than ignorant mouth.

This hobby is wa wide church so to speak and those that build things do not flaunt their social background that you seem to have a need to and may give us a better realisation of you than you realise. One thing about a paper tiger is it dose little in real life!

 

[NikkiA]

It is on the IHH website but you cannot download it from there it seems.

It's part of the 'Western Region Diesels' pack intended for AI for sessions - you have to buy the whole pack to get it, it doesn't have a cab though.

I think Paul said that he'd sell them seperately as he upgrades them to 'full' models, like he's already done with the class 14. But who knows when that'll be for the 22, you'd have to ask him I guess.

Apart from here, the only forum you can discuss his products at is his subforum at railworks-usa, but it doesn't seem to be very active over there. He was/is planning a forum of his own, but doesn't seem to have gotten around to it yet (god only knows what's taking so long, it takes no more than an hour or so to download one of the widely used forum packages and install it on a webserver - yes, a popular forum software means that you'll be exposed to more popular hacks, but it also means that the developer is likely to fix it quickly)

 

[sniper297]

Youse guys wanna know what these Redcoats are babbling about, try the British English dictionary;

http://septicscompanion.com/showcat.php?cat=people

 

[wholbr]

It's part of the 'Western Region Diesels' pack intended for AI for sessions - you have to buy the whole pack to get it, it doesn't have a cab though.

I think Paul said that he'd sell them seperately as he upgrades them to 'full' models, like he's already done with the class 14. But who knows when that'll be for the 22, you'd have to ask him I guess.

Apart from here, the only forum you can discuss his products at is his subforum at railworks-usa, but it doesn't seem to be very active over there. He was/is planning a forum of his own, but doesn't seem to have gotten around to it yet (god only knows what's taking so long, it takes no more than an hour or so to download one of the widely used forum packages and install it on a webserver - yes, a popular forum software means that you'll be exposed to more popular hacks, but it also means that the developer is likely to fix it quickly)

Thanks for that NikkiA. I don't think I will be buying it if it does not have so much as a cab. Strange that because Vern gave it such a glowing report especially regarding the cab view.

Perhaps in my old age I am becoming confused....... Thinking about it I believe I may have been confused all my life

Bill

 

[Vern]

It's the Class 26 I purchased and it should be accessible from the IHH main page. You do get a free "AI" Class 29 with it too.

 

[NikkiA]

Thanks for that NikkiA. I don't think I will be buying it if it does not hav so much as a cab. Strange that because Vern gave it such a glowing report especially regarding the cab view.

Perhaps in my old age I am becoming confused....... Thinking about it I believe I may have been confused all my life

Bill

Are you sure that you're not thinking of what vern said about the class 26? which is right at the top of the IHH page, with 'available now'...

 

[Davie_UCF]

Why on earth can't you mention content made by IHH on UKTS?

Sure you could when I last went there..

 

[wholbr]

Are you sure that you're not thinking of what vern said about the class 26? which is right at the top of the IHH page, with 'available now'...

Ah, it is the class 26, my mistake, I told you I was getting confused in my old age, in fact I've always been confused.

Now, I must write that down before I go back to the IHH website. repeat after me, IT IS A CLASS 26, IT IS A CLASS 26, IT IS A CLASS 26

Bill
right i think I got it.

 

[NikkiA]

Why on earth can't you mention content made by IHH on UKTS?

Sure you could when I last went there..

You haven't been there since about January then

The sequence of events as I understand it is:

Paul got banned from UKTS for some period of time
He argued that he had a legal right to be able to defend his work against anyone that said anything negative about it, and UKTS weren't giving him 'equal time' since he was banned.
He threatened legal action if UKTS didn't cease all discussion of IHH products.
UKTS complied.

(Some where in all that, he pulled all of his freeware content from UKTS, resulting in a couple of months where the freeware wasn't available anywhere - since he had yet to add the other sections to his own site, and he still hasn't done the 'forum' section of the site).

Now any mention of IHH, Paul, 'Sly', or any of the products he has released will trigger the moderation system, whereby that post (and perhaps further posts) will have to be manually approved by a moderator (and only if it doesn't mention IHH itself).

An example of this is that someone quoted some text about steam engine performance the other day, and was confused that it went to the moderation system - because the quoted text included 'big boy', and IHH have a big boy model.

TS.com was hit with legal threats from IHH at about the same time.

Shortly after TS.com and UKTS.com banned discussion of IHH products, Paul also pulled all of his products from steam distribution. So you are now forced to buy direct from him.

How he's still in business is a mystery.

Personally, I own a couple of his products from when they were available on Steam. But between his attitude when he was posting on the forums, the fact that he censored the major sites from talking about his products, the rather frustrating pricing model, and the final straw of not being able to use his models in RW2 because of very badly written anti-piracy code in RW2 - and being called a pirate by a certain JT contributor for even daring to mention that my payware purchases weren't displayed - I have vowed never to buy anything from IHH, JT or RS.com ever again.