Railfans to be banned from British stations

wholbr

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Train spotters will be banned from King’s Cross and other major stations for security reasons, several sections of the British media have been reporting in recent days. It is being advised that Network Rail will bar spotters from stations on the East Coast main line because they are a nuisance and pose a "security risk”. The ban covers all stations from King’s Cross to York station, which is the spiritual home of the rail industry and next door to the National Rail Museum.

The news media are also advising that their are strong indications that all train franchise operators who also manage many stations will very soon follow Network Rail by imposing a ban on railfans throughout the entire UK network. Train spotters have been allowed on British stations for over 170 years and therefore an outcry can be expected from those who gain great photographic pleasure from their activities. However, with no national organisation to speak for the railfans it is difficult to see how they are going to get their arguments across in favour of being allowed to continue their activities.

With many of Britain’s mainline stations running at almost maximum capacity throughout much of the working day many rail commuters will see the above decision as inevitable and long overdue. Some railfans (not the majority) come across as ill mannered and bullying to train station staff and passengers. In the foregoing they also seem to be completely senseless in safety terms while carrying out their activities at stations.

As I advised in another thread the entire 18 platforms of Paddington station, London and the train I had just boarded had to be evacuated approximately 2 weeks ago due to train spotters climbing down from the platform onto the tracks while trying to take photographs of a train. The above was carried out in a station that has rail traffic movements both in and out every three minutes throughout the day and London on high security alert.

It was also reported this week that the Great Western main line was brought to an entire halt for over 45 minutes in both directions in the Plymouth area because so-called rail fans I climbed over the barriers and entered the HST maintenance facilities at Plymouth causing a full-scale security and safety alert.

It would seem a pity that 170 years of pleasure and history are to be brought to an end by the actions of a minority especially when you see John Citroen’s great rail photographs in another posting in this thread. John is one who would always act with responsibility and respect I am sure. It is a pity that some in Britain seem unable follow his example.

Bill
 
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Stupid trains? Gee whiz now they have mentalities. I just cannot wait until the first one talks to me so i can throw in an opinion. MNost of the trains i travel on sem to be bright ones. :D

On a more general note when I flew over to Ulster as a help to my building of the whole of the NIR I tried to be discreet. With a lot of places just having Halts things were kind of easy to take a picture of but at two well well used station I did speak to the Station Manager and he was helpful. As it happened the only place i actually got stopped at was over the Border on an I.R. station even though it was a quiet period and little sign of anyone about. The Station manager came along to enquire and I explained what I was building and produced an ID and he was more than content with that. Anyway there is very little actual poicture taking over there anyway.

Oh-oh I forgot.On travelling down to recce the new expensive station at Newry, I was taking notes outside when a serious faced and slightly plump woman in a Group 4 uniform came out to ask "Vot ar you doingk." Guessed was east European and turned out to be Russian.I explained and she said I could have been a spy from a foreign country planning send planes over to mbmb the place.Considering there is nothing very strtling about Newry had to stifle a smile. In addition the lady could ot understand why so many peole in Gt Britain had a thing about railways. At this point i produced a jotter style booklet i had bought showing every single line on the island of Ireland, junctions, crossings, etc. When I asked where she was oroginally from she said "Russia." So as she was being very strident asked if she had lived in the Soviet era and she replied she had so i asked what she wass doing here. Seems she had married and Ulsterman. Anyway, i went on taking notes and then took the 5 minute bus ride into town for a meal. When i returned she had gone and a railwayman recognised me and asked what she was getting so strong about and I told him and he laughed.

Newry is a dead quite station and outside the town which is not very handy (used to have a branch down into the city (got city status from The Queen) Considering you don't get the teams like here on the mainland and she did not understand the wide British interest in trains along with ahere in your face attitude I was bemused rather tan angry.

ps. The aeroplanes couldn't find Newry......
 
I have found that if you ask permission, or even strike up conversations, very politely of course, with the railroad staff they are more than willing to share information. While "out west" a couple of weeks ago I did this with the railroad security guard. At this particular freight yard, the officials chase everyone away. Steamboateng and I kept our distance and only photographed the yard entrance from the road bridge. It would have been awesome to have wandered into the yard, but knowing that the railroad police have the full powers of the law behind them, I thought it was better that we remain on public property. Even while doing this, we had "eyes" on us the whole time.

When we walked back to our rental car, there was a Pan Am security guard sitting in his vehicle watching over the works. I walked over to him and told him what we were doing, and then explained about our Trainz project. His eye lit up and we got some nice stories about the good old days on the Boston and Maine. He's probably close to retirement, being in his early 60s now, and he really did have some nice things to tell us. We thanked him for his time and left.

While traveling with Frank Bartus in Pennsylvania, we did the same and got free access to a coal operation and information on a closed breaker. The older gentleman, who worked for the operation, let us walk about and take pictures as long as we didn't climb on anything. Being a chicken whose afraid of heights and dark scary places, I didn't climb on anything! The point is you go to places like this and ask before you act. If you act like a spoilt brat, and trounce on everything without asking first you'll get kicked out.

It is sad that many railfans act this way, and have developed a stereotypical look and action about them. The ones I have met over the years are generally unkempt, wear railroad hats with every blessed railroad logo pin on it, usually wear a dirty tee-shirt or button down white shirt that is splattered with mustard or ketchup, and take it upon themselves to do risky and rather stupid things. In the past I have seen them climb signal masts to get "the best" shots, climb up on locomotives and try to get in, and even attempt to start them as well.

In the Railroad.net forums, there are accounts from retired railroad officials with some really scary stories about railfans causing damage or harm to workers because "they know" all about the railroad. Sadly, this is the reason why many railroads will not hire them. The foremen and trainmasters are afraid these rail nerds will take it upon themselves and do things that are dangerous. They tend not to pay attention to their job as they're more focused on the cool freight car or rare locomotive on the other side of the yard.

In some ways I'd say these people are almost obsessive-compulsive and probably need some help. Sadly, they ruin things for the rest of us.

John
 
One thing I got to say about you Brits, you have a great sense of humor, ironic and often absurd, but almost always plunking at some little truths.
Great posts, guys.
 
IMHO railfans cause far less disruption than people who decide to use the railway as a means to end it all. You can guarantee trains are at a stand for a minimum of 90 minutes while response gets there and cleans it up, more if the incident is deemed unexplained or suspicious. That's without the effect on those who witness the incident or have to deal with it. Samaritans posters and putting fencing down the middle of platforms to restrict access to "fast line" side has helped a bit but sadly, easy access to heavy high speed objects which cannot stop or swerve continues to offer an irresistible attraction to those who sadly feel they have nothing left to live for.
 
Hi everybody.
To Itarius, nexusdj, casper, amigacooke and all the other “would-be comedians” on the forum, do I sound like a man who would read the Daily Mail………. of course not. I am an avid reader of "THE SUN" and as we all know if it is in the sun it has to be true (well at least Rupert Murdock reckons it is) and that is good enough for me. Anyway, back to topic before the thread gets closed.

I had to travel up to York this week with the misfortune of having to journey by road as I had to take some rather bulky vibration analysing equipment with me. It was as I was approaching York that I heard the information I posted at #1 of this thread regarding the banning of railfans on the BBC local radio. The radio channel broadcast an interview they did with someone senior within the national rail museum who advised that National Express had indeed planned to ban spotters from the entire East coast main line several years ago.

It is well known the National Express company ran into financial problems with the running the East Coast mainline franchise and eventually handed back the entire operation to the government approximately 2 years ago. Therefore the plans for the ban which included placing ticket barriers on all stations were never fully implemented following the announcement and therefore I believe it is probable that network rail wishes to fully implement the ban before placing the line operation once more into franchise ownership. Perhaps other forum members can advise further on that if they have the information.

With regard to my own feelings on railfans, I believe that only if you travel regularly on the British rail network do you realise the extent of the overcrowding both on stations and trains which has come about in recent years. Therefore to have persons pushing through those crowds with cameras sometimes in quite an abusive/ bullying manner is something that many passengers and station staff could do without. Perhaps a ban on railfans at large stations could be implemented leaving them free to carry out their activities at smaller rural stations on mainline routes.

With regard to verns posting on suicides causing more disruption than rail fans then that is undoubtedly the case. I have lost count of the number of times trains out of or into Paddington I have been on have been delayed by suicides from the bridge just beyond Royal Oak. They placed fencing on that bridge to stop the suicides but then they just started happening on the next bridge down which is no more than about half a mile away. Whatever you do you will not stop suicides I believe which is something the rail fraternity has come to cope with in recent times.

Disruption by rail fans on the other hand is something which can be stopped or at least drastically reduced especially at this time of very high security throughout the British rail network.

Bill
 
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Disruption by rail fans on the other hand is something which can be stopped or at least drastically reduced ....

I totally agree. Here in Oz we have a term, "gunzel", for that particularly nasty species of rail fan that thinks nothing of trespassing on railway property (or private property for that matter), or climbing up signal posts or stanchions, with camera in hand just so they can "get that shot". From what I have observed of their habits, they can get particularly aggressive with anyone who has the temerity to point the danger and stupidity of what they are doing. The few that I have managed to observe at close quarters, as distasteful as that is, has often revealed that they are usually deficient in social and/or mental capacities as well.
 
I have seen dozens of railfans set up an organized photo line shoot on a hillside, so that everyone gets a good shot of the train ... then some ignorant person sets up his tripod directly in front of the photo shoot line, completely blocking all their views.

I saw one railfan deliberately stand right at the end of a fence between tracks, that was put there to divide the tracks, to stop people from crossing the tracks ... With his big fat belly sticking out, he was getting the perfect: "Ding Ding Ding, Woo Woo, Train Coming Right At You", once of a lifetime shot ... the steam loco equipment caught his clothing and threw him to the ballast so violently, that everyone viewing thought he was cut to pieces ... fortunately he only received a few cuts ad bruises.

Unfortunately, I can't find the: "Tragedy on the Blue Mountain & Reading" YouTube video
 
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Interesting links mezzoprezzo.

All the trains ran to time perfectly - if not there would be questions asked!
 
Well I have read the Daily Mail as I prefer the black tops. Occasionally do the Sunday Post for Oor Willie and the Broons cartoons (!). Anyway. I have found on my sojourns across the Irish Sea from here at the centre of the Universe that if you show sense and reasonable you are accommodated. Did say that over there they do not have the sort of debacles mentioned and usually more than helpful when i tell them what I am building. At that over the border station I took notes at the station manager who was young - probably late twenties had studied rail here and was pleased at what I was doing. We chatted away for about 10 minutes.

Before I typed this I discovered that I sat on my reading specs which now come in two halves so doing this staring hard with my distance specs. Just shows you and me thinking the Sunday Post and the cartoons were harmless.....

Bobby
 
I had to travel up to York this week with the misfortune of having to journey by road as I had to take some rather bulky vibration analysing equipment with me. It was as I was approaching York that I heard the information I posted at #1 of this thread regarding the banning of railfans on the BBC local radio. The radio channel broadcast an interview they did with someone senior within the national rail museum who advised that National Express had indeed planned to ban spotters from the entire East coast main line several years ago.

It is well known the National Express company ran into financial problems with the running the East Coast mainline franchise and eventually handed back the entire operation to the government approximately 2 years ago. Therefore the plans for the ban which included placing ticket barriers on all stations were never fully implemented following the announcement and therefore I believe it is probable that network rail wishes to fully implement the ban before placing the line operation once more into franchise ownership. Perhaps other forum members can advise further on that if they have the information.
As a 'would-be-journalist', do you have any sources that refer to the present day rather than several years ago?
 
Hi everybody.
Sorry to have gone missing from the thread for a few days but Manchester United match with Chelsea definitely had first call on Sunday and work Has had my entire attention since then (LOL)

As a 'would-be-journalist', do you have any sources that refer to the present day rather than several years ago?

Amigacooke, I can assure you without any second thoughts that I have no wish whatsoever to become a journalist. I have always enjoyed my life and my work first as a truck driver and then in industrial safety. I can state with complete honesty that if I were called from this earth tomorrow and arriving at the pearly gates was asked “what do you want to do now Bill” I would say, let me go back down and do the entire thing the same all over again including meeting and marrying Carol my wife of 46 years.

Anyway, back to topic after all that sentiment (LOL). Regarding the banning of rail fans from British stations, I was repeating what was stated on a BBC local radio channel as I approached York the other day. The person who was advising in the interview was someone from the National Railway Museum indicated that National Express had not implemented in full the spotters ban following their announcement. However, that was to now be brought forward again over the next few months.


Bill
Posted from the 15:00 London Paddington to Bristol Temple Meads First Great Western HST service.
 
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