Question about narrow gauge Log Dumps

[Jananton]

Hello All,

I've got a question about the product consuption of Log Dumps used in some NG routes. My understanding is that when the setup states a dump can consume [x] logs per 60 seconds, that whatever the total number of logs dropped after 60 secs I can drop [x] more, and so on... However with the Log Dump 3NG Diesel, as provided in the route Colorado Narrow Gauge obtained from Virtual Railroader this doesn't seem the case. Now there's always the possebility that I set it up wrong, but it seems that after dropping, if I recall correctly, 37 logs of a certain type the max amount is reached and doesn't becomes less e.g. is consumed, how long I wait...
Does anybody recognises this behaviour, or am I doing something wrong in the setup....

Thanks in advance for shining any light on this matter.

Greetings from rainy Amsterdam,

Jan

Using TRS2006 Just Trains version and SP1

 

[JayGould]

Consuming logs

Some industries just don't work right. You can try the following steps to see if you can get it to work.

Delete the log dump in Surveyor. Save the route. Reload the route into Surveyor and place the log dump again.

Review the config.txt file and industry script. This can be difficult, but there can be errors.

Create a test route using a clone of the log dump. Testing may reveal the error.

Note: You need to replace an asset on the route if you change its config.txt file. The config.txt file is saved at the time the asset is placed as part of the route.

Contact the creator of the route for suggestions or updates.

It can take a lot of effort to fix broken assets on a route. Good luck.

 

[JayGould]

Additional information

The Log Dump has only one process defined for consuming commodities. All commodities have to be present before any of them are consumed when two or more commodities are setup. Hope this helps.

 

[philskene]

Hi Jan --

Do you mean Slugsmasher's log dump, this one:

If so, in Surveyor go to the Objects flyout, click on the "?" in the flyout and then on the dump in the Surveyor pane.

Choose the type of log you want to dump, set "Rate" to the maximum and amount to the minimum.

See if this works.

Phil

 

[Jananton]

Hi Jan --

Do you mean Slugsmasher's log dump, this one:
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If so, in Surveyor go to the Objects flyout, click on the "?" in the flyout and then on the dump in the Surveyor pane.

Choose the type of log you want to dump, set "Rate" to the maximum and amount to the minimum.

See if this works.

Phil

Hmm, I tried a lot of settings, and I honestly don't remember if your suggestion was one of them, but I'll give it another go...
Btw, I'm not shure if it's the Slugmasher's one, looks the same but doesn't have the ring of floating logs in the water...

The Log Dump has only one process defined for consuming commodities. All commodities have to be present before any of them are consumed when two or more commodities are setup. Hope this helps.

Could you elaborate this a little. The dump in question has a whole list of log types and sizes, many not used on the route, do I need to set them all anyhow? Also, there seem to be two types for each size, one has the word 'log' in its name, the other something like 'stack'. Probably has to do with the difference between products and categories queues, but I'm puzzled wich ones would be better to use.

Greetings from overcast Amsterdam,

Jan

 

[JayGould]

Settings for Log Dump

The game looks at all seven queues for a quantity greater than or equal to the consume rate. If you set MLOG 16ft logset to a quantity of 1 and MLOG 32ft logset to a quantity of one, then both queues need to have a quantity of one or more before the quantity of one is consumed each minute from both queues.

Setting a consume quantity greater than zero for an item which does not exist on the route prevents any consumption because that queue quantity is never greater than the consume rate.

I did a test with all seven commodities setup to consume one. Nothing was consumed until all seven queues had a quantity greater than 1. Each queue was then reduced by one each minute until one queue had a zero quantity.

Hope this helps your understanding of how the log dump works.

 

[Jananton]

Hi Phil, JayGould,

Well, setting indeed one log type to dump and zeroing all the rest does help in the consumption of endless numbers of logs...

So far, so good, but I can't help feeling that it should be possible to dump more than one kind of product without running into a maximum because another product isn't there or empty. Hmm, a scripting puzzle obviously...

Anyhow, thanks for the info, dumping has gotten a little more understandable now...

Greetings from overcast Amsterdam,

Jan

 

[JayGould]

MLOG logsets and logstacks

These were a puzzle for me too. The logsets are a single log graphic. The logstacks are a multiple log graphic. The log dump accepts up to 27 of each logset. It can hold 12 of each logstack. 3 logsets will fit on a railcar. Only one logstack can be carried by a railcar. You can use either or both as you choose. Using both gives more graphical variety to the loaded railcars. The logsets are more uniform in size and appearence. The logstacks are more variable in size and appearence.

 

[Jananton]

Hello JayGould,

When I think of it, with the knowledge you and Phil provided, my problem arose with the production in the lumbercamps. Each camp provided logs as well as stacks in the same production pickup with the result that if the production stack is full you don't get an equal 3 to 1 amount of both types to carry to the dump site. Hmm, that 3 to 1 ratio will probably be the key for a successfull operation. Back to the drawing board...

Greetings from cloud covered Amsterdam,

Jan

 

[JayGould]

SS Multilog Deck setup

This object has one output process. It will not create any logs when a queue is full. I setup one to produce 1 each of the MLOG 16, 32 and 40 ft logstacks. Only 4 of each type was created. The 32 and 40ft logstack queues are set to size 4. The 16ft logstack queue is size 6. I had to load 2 32ft logstacks and 2 40ft logstacks to get 2 more 16ft logstacks created.

 

[Jananton]

allowed-products kuid list missing for stacks

Hello JayGould, Phil,

I think I found something that dropped a spanner in the works for the consumption of mixed products presumably in all Slugmasher's log dumps (yes the one I mentioned is from him too). In the products queues of config.txt all logs have an allowed-products kuid list of one item, but in all stack entries this allowed-products listing is missing. I added this to a cloned log dump as suggested and updated the route with this revised one and now low and behold suddenly consuption takes place in the setup ratio I intended like 3 logs to 1 stack...
I don't know the version of TRS you both are using, but in 2006 + SP1 the lack of this allowed-products kuid list seemed to be a show stopper.
Maybe I'll better investigate the other logging industries as well...

Greetings from sunny Amsterdam,

Jan

 

[JayGould]

Log Dump 3NG Diesel - kuid:86661:144012

I was able to set the consumption quantities of the Log Dump 3NG Diesel on the NorthBay route in Surveyor and it worked okay. This is in Trainz 2006 version 2.6 build 3337. The allowed products entry is missing for the three logstack queues in the config.txt file in this version.

 

[slugsmasher]

You guys should win a prize or something, wow it only took 5 years to figure that one out!!!

OK so I need to fix the log dumps - allowed products entries. Thanks for the heads up and patience.

 

[Jananton]

You guys should win a prize or something, wow it only took 5 years to figure that one out!!!

OK so I need to fix the log dumps - allowed products entries. Thanks for the heads up and patience.

Oh, don't mention it, I'm glad I finally got the consumption going in the rate I intended. There's only one thing that maybe needs a look into too ihmo, and that's the info one gets in the Driver mode when one inspects the consumption by ctrl - right clicking on the industry. Someone who loads a session made by somebody else has no idea how the consumpion rates are set in this case. Would be nice if the driver gets the rate info somehow here. Obviously something to add to the script, but I have no idea howto at the moment...

Greetings from rainy Amsterdam,

Jan

 

[slugsmasher]

I've looked at the scripts and configs for both my TRS logdumps until I am crosseyed. Can't figure it out. Of course, I'm one of the worst scripters to ever make any built-in industry for Trainz. I have very little knowledge or skill in this area of content creation. I think every one of the industries I've ever made have some type of script issue. I am not interested in learning the "code" anymore than I already have, I just want it to work.

So knowing that, are there any good souls out there that have the time to look at the infamous log dump files to tweak them for proper performance. We all know what it should do, it just doesn't. PM me and I'll send the code, or look at it in TRS2006.
86661-144004
86661-144012