My route got deleted too...now I'm making a super PRR route, by merging the 2 DEM's on DLS. The Curve closes at dusk, or 5 or 6 PM @. Parking across the road is a way of not getting locked in, because they lock up the parking lot up at night. But it is illegal parking, and the local cops could enforce no parking, and trespassing after hours, but I am unsure if they care much ? Often there are people up there after dark, but going up top the curve at night is illegal, unless you all ride bicycles in, and keep the ruckus to a super low QT ! I haven't been there for 2 years, so I'm unsure how strict the cops, Natn Park Serv, and RR are ! Alot of access roads that were once cool, are now no trespassing. You can get arrested very easily, railfanning on RR, and private property in and around Altoona-Johnstown. When a special train is bound for the Curve, RR Police are there in force, and will eject, or arrest trespassers, for railfaning at all the "once" cool photo locations ! RR cops are always at the Interlockings ! No trespassing ! If you arrive at the Curve before sunrise, and stay beyond closing you will have had enough of the Curve for one day ! I'm unsure but possibly 15 freights, and 4 passengers per day, mostly at night. Bring a good book, as lulls in traffic can last for several hours. But occasionally at the Station walk bridge, one can see 8 trains in 45 min when traffic is snarled up. Camping is about 25 miles, at Blue Knob, and Prince Galitzin SP. Several cheap hotels are in the area from WYE to S Altoona. You can eat out 3 times a day, 365 days and never eat in the same resturaunt. When at Waffle King order "The Ultimate Derailed Mess". They once had a "self kicking machine", a coin operated rotary wagon wheel, with 8 various boots and shoes that revolved. The Mallo Cup factory "seconds" store is 1 block from Alto Tower. Can't wait to go up ther again myself !