Problems with TS12.....Oh Yes

[mrscsi]

Pity that's not true :hehe:



You couldn't be more wrong if you said the Earth was flat.

Well right back at you on the first.

I would admit that saying that you can tell there's no difference between 2004 and 2010 or TS12 by looking at a screen shot number two would fit you like a glove as well, so it seems to me you must be projecting.

Hi Mac, I first got a taste of Trainz when I purchased UTC, I then saw 2004 as a good step up, so I purchased that, but finding that 2004 satisfies my needs as far as modelling a railway goes, I find no reason to update any further at the present time, but will be doing so at some point, when getting out & about gets more difficult.
Until that time, I much prefer spending my money on experiencing the REAL world of railways, I spend my money supporting the preservation of our heritage by visiting, using & donating to the numerous preserved railways in my country.

My use of Trainz is only a small part of what my computer actually does, most use of my machine is in more serious programs.

Finances when on a pension are not the greatest, but are not a hinderance to what I really want to do.

You can't smell the steam in Trainz.

And I'm all for doing what you want to do. But as Mac said spreading the absolute BS that there is no difference between 04 and TS12 or 09 or 10 for that matter shows your lack of experience in such matters.

I've already been asked by two different people why should they buy TS12 when "some say" it's no better than 2004 graphically so I have to take time out of my day to correct your BS.

I for one want to see the franchise continue. I'm not satisfied to sit on my backside and run an archaic piece of software on a machine that supposedly is for "more serious programs" but it will run 2004:hehe:

I think the thing that people are taking issue with is not your choice to run 2004 I'm sure I speak for most people here when I say "we don't care" it's the spreading of misinformation for whatever reason that we are taking issue with.

Because you're wrong, you couldn't begin to be more wrong, if you looked at screenshots and couldn't tell the difference I'm going to propose that you need to monitor or a new set of eyes. Now you can call us all fools, insult us anyway you want I guess, you can me anyway:hehe:

But you're always going to get called out by multiple people when you propagate complete and utter BS about the simulation. And I'm glad I don't stand alone in my way of thinking on that particular issue.

 

[aardvark1]

NOTE: My comment is NOT directed at anyone.

Why is it necessary to berate someone who is satisfied and happy with their version of Trainz?

I have TS2009, SP4 and at this time have no plans for getting a new version until I upgrade my comp in the future.

CARPE DIEM

 

[mrscsi]

NOTE: My comment is NOT directed at anyone.

Why is it necessary to berate someone who is satisfied and happy with their version of Trainz?

I have TS2009, SP4 and at this time have no plans for getting a new version until I upgrade my comp in the future.

CARPE DIEM

Ron, that's not the only thing he's done.

If he had just stated that he was happy with 2004 I probably would never have said a word. You need to read the rest of his posts. He calls us all fools, he basically says that Auran/N3V is lying because in his opinion there's no difference graphically between 2004 and TS12 because he's seen screenshots.

Now being called a fool doesn't make me mad, but propagating information that basically states that Auran/N3V is somehow lying to its customers and the fools and their money are soon parted line plays right into that really gets me.

I also wouldn't have a problem if he had both versions and made a QUALIFIED opinion. But his opinion is not even close to being qualified because he just says he looked at screenshots, doesn't point to the screenshots, doesn't offer them up for subjective judgment, it would be like me saying I know little green men exist because I've seen them:hehe: and offering no other evidence, now I doubt that you would consider that a qualified opinion…

Like I said before and I'll say it again I have no problem if he wants to run 2004 until the wheels come off. But as someone who goes out here and tries to help people by answering questions on this forum it just grates on me a little bit that I have to explain that there's a lot of misinformation out there being propagated by people who for whatever reason don't like Auran/N3V.

 

[BLACKWATCH]

cooooooooooooo!!! don't some people get upset :hehe:

mrscsi, the screenshots I have looked at are all free for you to view, just feel free to browse the thread.
http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showthread.php?t=315

It is not the version that decrees the quality of the screenshot (route detailing), but the skill of the route builder.

There are some views in that thread from builders using 2004, that beat the crap out of some others that were posted by builders using 2009/2010.
Take time to go through them, then come back & tell me I'm still wrong.

 

[mrscsi]

cooooooooooooo!!! don't some people get upset :hehe:

mrscsi, the screenshots I have looked at are all free for you to view, just feel free to browse the thread.
http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showthread.php?t=315

It is not the version that decrees the quality of the screenshot (route detailing), but the skill of the route builder.

There are some views in that thread from builders using 2004, that beat the crap out of some others that were posted by builders using 2009/2010.
Take time to go through them, then come back & tell me I'm still wrong.

I've been through that thread, there were also some screenshots that directly correlated between routes in 2004 and 2006 that were loaded into TS 12 and they showed screenshots from each and if you couldn't tell the difference, I would suggest a new monitor or a new set of eyes:hehe:

Now I'm not upset not by a long shot. There will always be people who will make comments disparaging things they don't know. That's human nature. But you don't have to get all snotty and call us fools when we simply point out that you don't know what you're talking about because you don't have TS 12 to actually see the difference.

You need to start looking in this thread from this post

http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showpost.php?p=780671&postcount=51

Because if you can't look from post 51 forward and see the difference between 2006 and TS12 if you can't honestly say that there is a massive difference there's really no help for you.

 

[H222]

Shot on the ad we see for '04

Shot we see on the ad for 12

Not to mention

Multiplayer
LOD meshes
Speetrees (They do look good) see http://hostthenpost.org/uploads/e2d239c2c236bd0a9a2314036da8c83d.jpg
Layers


Jamie

 

[mrscsi]

Yeah there are lots of reasons to own TS12, you forgot satellite view in surveyor by the way :hehe: (my personal favorite)

But even trying to compare the two versions is pretty much like trying to compare apples and oranges, because they are that far apart. Personally I'm happy that there have been some rules set down for content creation. That's made me actually take another look at creating content now that I know that it's going to be structured and that everybody's going to be doing the same things and there's not going to be 60 ways to make a normal map etc. (okay maybe only 30) maybe now I can get my head around actually creating content instead of having so much information by so many different people building it differently.

The naming convention for textures for example that's going to make it easier although some content creators complained that will make it harder.

But I'm not sure what blackwatch's hangup is with Auran/N3V or why he's mad, but to call us fools, and then make the statement that they're not that far apart graphically, just begs for a response

 

[H222]

Very true, I was playing on my cousin's '09 and kept zooming back in Surveyor before realising I had to go to the menu and click 'Mini Map'
Something you don't appreciate until it's not there:hehe:

Jamie