Problems with TS12.....Oh Yes
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BLACKWATCH
Mechanical Engineer
So sticking with the likes of TRS2004 / 2006 maybe wasn't such a bad idea after all.
Hindsight isn't such a bad thing when you've had time to think about it.
Hindsight isn't such a bad thing when you've had time to think about it.
I just looked at didn't see any "M62" type of locomotives built-in to TS12 so I'm going to assume that these were something from an earlier version or perhaps even payware?
Something to look at would be do they now show up with errors or warnings? Because frankly have not found anything that I own the doesn't work really well in TS12, of course I don't own anything or use anything prior to version 2.5.
If you wanted to have no support and no access to the download station unless you bought a first-class ticket, 2004/2006 is a great idea:hehe:
Because 99% of the problem that people are going to have with TS 12 will be expecting non-native mode assets to run well. That's just a fact.
If you want to sit in the past and play with substandard toys, that's really your choice. What I mean when I say substandard toys is simply the content for those versions compared to what we can do now, is extremely substandard.
But if you like billboard trees, low graphics, simplistic scripting, who am I to tell you that your foolish?:hehe:
BLACKWATCH
Mechanical Engineer
I don't need support, 2004 runs like a dream, there is nothing I want or need on the dls, so no need for a fct (I downloaded everything I was ever likely to use before the cut off)
Looking at the screenshots pages, there doesn't appear to be that big a difference in graphics, photo realism is still a long way off, even for TS12.
You have spent more cash on the game than I have, don't they say "A fool & his money are soon parted" ?
Which one of us has been parted from the most of his money ?
Hi and thanks all
mrscsi these locos are built in to TS12 and came with the route Debrecen the actual locos are the range 2M62U-0030 and 2TE116-1673A. but if you read my other thread you will see I have a conected problem in that if I just click on any loco's config file in explorerer I get a warning that all texture flies are missing and then the loco will not appear in surveyor and I have to use the revert button to get back to where I was.
I don't have a clue whats happening or why ???
I downloaded the latest patch, is that the prob ? so this problem happens with new TS12 locos and not just 2004/2006
Have you any idea whats going on ?
Cheers
PJ
mrscsi these locos are built in to TS12 and came with the route Debrecen the actual locos are the range 2M62U-0030 and 2TE116-1673A. but if you read my other thread you will see I have a conected problem in that if I just click on any loco's config file in explorerer I get a warning that all texture flies are missing and then the loco will not appear in surveyor and I have to use the revert button to get back to where I was.
I don't have a clue whats happening or why ???
I downloaded the latest patch, is that the prob ? so this problem happens with new TS12 locos and not just 2004/2006
Have you any idea whats going on ?
Cheers
PJ
I don't need support, 2004 runs like a dream, there is nothing I want or need on the dls, so no need for a fct (I downloaded everything I was ever likely to use before the cut off)
Looking at the screenshots pages, there doesn't appear to be that big a difference in graphics, photo realism is still a long way off, even for TS12.
You have spent more cash on the game than I have, don't they say "A fool & his money are soon parted" ?
Which one of us has been parted from the most of his money ?
I'm really at a loss for words, you've seen screenshots, and there doesn't appear to be that big a difference in graphics between 2004 and TS12?
Wow, I have 2004, I can most assuredly guarantee you that without a doubt graphics have improved. As well as every other facet of the simulation. You don't need to treat me like someone who has no idea about 2004, been there, done that and still have it sitting on the shelf.
More than likely your real reason is that you don't have enough computer to run anything but 2004 and you may be a bit embarrassed being that it's the year 2011 and you're probably running a pre-2004 computer. I can understand that. But don't blow smoke and try to say "Looking at the screenshots pages, there doesn't appear to be that big a difference in graphics" because that's trying to make a point without having a foundation or frame of reference to argue from.
I have remained loyal to the brand, and with the exception of TC (which I beta tested) and 2009 (which I never felt was that good anyway) I've not felt cheated or foolish in any way. I can do things and run content that you can only dream about.
I'll bet you still run XP as well, of course if you wish to remain in the past that is strictly your choice, but the only reason I commented was of course your snide comment to the original poster, and then of course you're completely amazing comment admitting that you're basing your opinion on a screenshot.
But collecting and playing with antique toys can be a rewarding hobby for some, just not for me. Now if you wish to insinuate that I'm a fool, I could of course make the same insinuations and would probably be closer to the mark.
Have you opened them for edit? If so have you tried the revert to original button?
Because I have applied all the patches, and they show up just fine for me (I just went and looked at the ones you're talking about) they all appear to be build 2.9, a lot of times I found if I open built-in content, that's when the errors appear. It's got to be some way that they are packaging the built-in content in the JA files.
They have figured out a way to suppress any errors I guess if it's coming from the JA file, but if it's coming from a CDP that's when error checking kicks in and you see all kinds of errors.
Now that's only a guess on my part, but I have the locomotives you're talking about and the 0030 hasn't been updated, the 1673a has been updated because I see an obsolete in my content manager.
I would look at them in content manager and right-click on them and select edit and if the revert or revert to original is not grayed out, that means something has changed and they are no longer being called from the JA files and you should be able to click on those, either one actually and it should revert it back to its pristine state and it should be error free.
Then if you want to experiment, clone them and work on the clones. Never try to edit any built-in content.
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norfolksouthern37
what's a normal map?
built in content is not checked for errors. This simpky doesn't make sense as the content is provided in working order and to always check the built in items would be a waste of time. If you tried to edit them oreven just opened the asset for edit it assumes they were modified and then checks them for problems. The textues of a built in asset will always show as missing because the backup tga files are not included in the built ins, as the game itself uses .texture files. This saves loads of space in the game files, but if you try to open them for edit then the game looks for the original files to convert to texture again. It sounds like you just need to revert them to their original state.
Well it's a guess on my part no longer:hehe:
Thanks guys. good explanation.
I have used the revert button and they are now not showing any faults. however the speed/aceleration is still a problem and I don't know why.
Staying with the loco as stated, on my test track ( a great big oval ) I set loco 0030 going on max aceleration and it took 3mins 38secs to reach 50mph, this surely is not right ?
What do you think ? and how does it work on your layout ?
Cheers
PJ
I have used the revert button and they are now not showing any faults. however the speed/aceleration is still a problem and I don't know why.
Staying with the loco as stated, on my test track ( a great big oval ) I set loco 0030 going on max aceleration and it took 3mins 38secs to reach 50mph, this surely is not right ?
What do you think ? and how does it work on your layout ?
Cheers
PJ
BLACKWATCH
Mechanical Engineer
Pity that's not true :hehe:
You couldn't be more wrong if you said the Earth was flat.
If you really want to update this loco without DLS, download it from http://trainzup.com/?p=3476 and http://trainzup.com/?p=3356 .
We really couldn't fix the errors before the release because we hadn't received ts12 beta in an appropriate time. Also if you are using cabin mode, you have to "startup" them http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5__qh7rj8A and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkdIr35qTNM . Those locos have never been payware.
We really couldn't fix the errors before the release because we hadn't received ts12 beta in an appropriate time. Also if you are using cabin mode, you have to "startup" them http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5__qh7rj8A and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkdIr35qTNM . Those locos have never been payware.
all built-in rolling stock has been saved without "original" textures. You have to use Images2TGA from PEV's site to deconvert them all from .texture format.
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meatloaf747
Spotter...
I don't need support, 2004 runs like a dream, there is nothing I want or need on the dls, so no need for a fct (I downloaded everything I was ever likely to use before the cut off)
Looking at the screenshots pages, there doesn't appear to be that big a difference in graphics, photo realism is still a long way off, even for TS12.
You have spent more cash on the game than I have, don't they say "A fool & his money are soon parted" ?
Which one of us has been parted from the most of his money ?
Gidday Blackwatch, I'll bet you drive around in a 1927 Model T Ford. If so, your partly to blame as to why Ford Motor Industries nearly went broke a couple of year ago. You've been forgetting to upgrade your car every few years. (Well, we have to blame someone as to why Fords nearly went belly up) !!! :hehe:
What I'm really trying to politely say here is everyone has a choice as to whether they want to buy newer versions of Trainz or not. I respect your view that you don't wish to upgrade, but to infer that 04 is in the same league as TS10/TS12 is absolute rubbish. (IMHO). 2004 is crap compared to TS2010 & TS12. (now if you had bothered to purchase EITHER 010 or 12, you wouldn't need to take my word for it, you'd already know)...
Not trying to appear like I'm having a go at you here sir, but if all the Trainz community had a similar view to yours, Auran/NV3 would have dumped the Trainz Sim way back in 06/07. (or gone broke)... And as a result; no TC, TC3, 09, 10, 12MP (or 13MP), also no forum & DLS... - (If they had dumped it, (or gone broke) most of us would probably have brought another Train Sim by now, and be having too fork out an arm & a leg for each additional bit of content we wanted)...
Most of us have done our bit to keep N3V in business so that they have the revenue to maintain the forum, DLS & to continue to development Trainz...
The question I would like to ask you sir is; do you think you have done your bit ???
Now your question to us; Which one of us has been parted from the most of his money? - My answer; Me, (& other updater's) the one that's get the most enjoyment out of the sim because we all agree that it's a great feeling to know that we are pulling our weight and paying our way. (besides me personally, I've loved all the new versions (including 06/09) because the sim just keeps getting better and better)... It's still not perfect, but it's leaps and bounds ahead of TRS2004 !!!
(If it's a matter of finances, then I completely understand and apologize)...
Happy Trainzing...
Cheers, Mac...
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BLACKWATCH
Mechanical Engineer
Hi Mac, I first got a taste of Trainz when I purchased UTC, I then saw 2004 as a good step up, so I purchased that, but finding that 2004 satisfies my needs as far as modelling a railway goes, I find no reason to update any further at the present time, but will be doing so at some point, when getting out & about gets more difficult.
Until that time, I much prefer spending my money on experiencing the REAL world of railways, I spend my money supporting the preservation of our heritage by visiting, using & donating to the numerous preserved railways in my country.
My use of Trainz is only a small part of what my computer actually does, most use of my machine is in more serious programs.
Finances when on a pension are not the greatest, but are not a hinderance to what I really want to do.
You can't smell the steam in Trainz.
Until that time, I much prefer spending my money on experiencing the REAL world of railways, I spend my money supporting the preservation of our heritage by visiting, using & donating to the numerous preserved railways in my country.
My use of Trainz is only a small part of what my computer actually does, most use of my machine is in more serious programs.
Finances when on a pension are not the greatest, but are not a hinderance to what I really want to do.
You can't smell the steam in Trainz.
geoffwilliams
Member
I don't need support, 2004 runs like a dream, there is nothing I want or need on the dls, so no need for a fct (I downloaded everything I was ever likely to use before the cut off)
Looking at the screenshots pages, there doesn't appear to be that big a difference in graphics, photo realism is still a long way off, even for TS12.
You have spent more cash on the game than I have, don't they say "A fool & his money are soon parted" ?
Which one of us has been parted from the most of his money ?
Nothing wrong with TRS2004, best version ever.
There is very little difference in the graphics, and most newer content can be made to work in TRS2004 with a little effort.
Later versions run smoother because they use more than one processor.
But, like you, my TRS2004 runs a dream.
There is some excellent content out there that will not run properly on the later versions, Razorback Railway, All Amsterdam, and all of Angelah Halliday's wonderful UK creations.
Reckon it will still be around for quite a while yet.
Geoff