NSW North Coast mainline. Kyogle to QLD Border

[PGibbons]

The route is finished and should be on the DLS soon. Its built on Ts2006 using TransDEM created terrain, many thanks again to all contributors.

No special instructions are required to merge as its pretty obvious where it fits onto the Kyogle end of the earlier routes. (just remove the platform sign at end of the Kyogle route if you havnt already done so)

Good luck and enjoy.

Peter.

Only one problem now, do I continue south to the Vic border from Henty or do some more north coast lines or maybe finish Picton to Moss Vale. Think I'll toss a coin !

PG

 

[mattm]

Pete,

Thank you, a million-and-two times over, for what is highly likely to be another quality real-life NSW route.

As for how to continue, i think you should continue with the North Coast, down towards Newcastle. Entirely up to you though.

Matt.

 

[seeseeme]

Hi Peter,

I just merged you new route with the rest of the Northern NSW ones and had no problems in 2010 (44088).

I would toss a coin too, the choice would be too hard for anyone to make for your next little "gem".

Many thanks,

Craig

 

[iure]

Firstly thanks for your contributions, all of which are superb.I joined all North Coast lines in trs2010 as I've still got that "no map selected " problem in 2006.
If I may make a suggestion ,I'd like Picton - Moss Vale - Unanderra
Best Wishes for 2011

 

[misterchugg]

hi peter, craig

my map route in the latest install and updates still show as no map
i can open it in cmp and everything looks fine.
no errors shown anywhere

any idea what could be causing this?

i was able to use my pc last night for an hour

thanks
ron

 

[Petan]

Check you have the basic kuid for the "Kyogle to the border". It is about 8 MB and is the first one listed on the download section of content manager of my TZ2010, as well as the largest file for that route.

When I first tried downloading "Kyogle to the border" by using my Trainz 2010 automatic download helper, everything except the basic large main kuid downloaded.

I then had to download the missing kuid by downloading the route using the "Download file via direct FTP link". I downloaded that to a folder on my computer then used content manager to install it into Trainz. After that, all ok.

Might be worth a try.

I also had to do it this way for the Casino to Kyogle route as well.

Cheers
Peter C

hi peter, craig
my map route in the latest install and updates still show as no map
i can open it in cmp and everything looks fine.
no errors shown anywhere
thanks ron

 

[jhatchman]

Hi Peter,

I just merged you new route with the other NSW north coast routes

May I suggest completing south to the Vic border from Henty.

Once again thanks for your contributions

Jeff

 

[Red_Rattler]

If you continue past the north or south borders, you may need to include an ark!

Only one problem now, do I continue south to the Vic border from Henty or do some more north coast lines or maybe finish Picton to Moss Vale.

Maybe Wollongong/Unanderra - Moss Vale via Roberston - offers very steep grades (1:25 or so), good scenery, etc., or maybe either Telarah/Newcastle to Sydney via Strathfield.

 

[Red_Rattler]

For PGibbons

FOR PGibbons: Missing scenery, straight lined hills, ground over track, moving ground walls

But first, is their any reason you chose (with some exceptions) to use Auran's so called track? - Their default track in most cases just looks too cartoonish.


Your map is doing some weird stuff, plus lots of missing scenery.

1. Including around Border Loop, their are lots of missing scenery.
2. Some hilly areas seem to have hills that have changed to straight line triangular hills - unnatural in scenery.
3. Some ground is over the track - and quite a lot in one place.

But the most weird thing is:
4. Just near the two Border Portals, some ground lifted up in front of the portals, as if the portals were behind a wall of ground - one track went over this wall, while the other went through the wall - but the weird thing is that when I opened the route again in the same spot, the wall had moved and created another wall at a right angle to the original wall.

I'll have to show you the pictures when I can upload them.

 

[Petan]

Your map is doing some weird stuff, plus lots of missing scenery.1. Including around Border Loop, their are lots of missing scenery.

Actually the "Border Loop" safeworking crossing loop itself is missing although there is single line track at that location. It is located between the spiral #2 tunnel and the border tunnel mouth. At various times that safeworking loop has been de-commissioned and recommissioned so its existence depends on your selected time era.

I too have the extra soil over the tracks as well as large cone like rocks almost over the tracks and vertical rock walls that Red Rattler mentions. The soil over the tracks are over scattered sections along the line but the vertical walls and rock cones start just south of the spiral, around the spiral, between there and the border tunnel. They are also vertical rock walls near the portals north of the border tunnel. These rock walls near the portals have track attempting to climb them.

These rock walls and large rock cones are on the route as downloaded.

I am curious why the rock walls and rock cones are on the northern section but not found over the rest of the "Kyogle to the Border" route.They remind me of problems that come from a faulty merge yet they are on my route as downloaded.

On a side note, the Border "Crossing Loop" is frequently confused with the "border spiral". The crossing loop is a safeworking feature with a crossing loop track and a mainline track next to each other where one train waits for the other train to go past it and give it the safeworking staff. The spiral is a continuous track that climbs higher through a circle.

Cheers
Peter Cokley

 

[seeseeme]

Are these problems after the route has been merged with the other section/s???

Also, with what version of Trainz???

I have been over the track twice and apart from a few minor problems (probably due to merging), I saw nothing like has been mentioned.

Craig


BTW. mine: 2010 build 44088

 

[Petan]

Forgot to add that I can fix the rock walls etc myself so not really a great deal. I am just confirming that what Red Rattles reports is also on my route as downloaded.

The route itself can easily be converted to the modern era if you download the latest long crossing loops from the ARTC public site
http://www.artc.com.au/library/TOC Manual_North coast Diagrams.pdf

http://www.artc.com.au/library/ARTCS3090006_NS_Nth.pdf

Cheers
Peter C

Actually the "Border Loop" safeworking crossing loop itself is missing although there is single line track at that location. It is located between the spiral #2 tunnel and the border tunnel mouth. At various times that safeworking loop has been de-commissioned and recommissioned so its existence depends on your selected time era.

I too have the extra soil over the tracks as well as large cone like rocks almost over the tracks and vertical rock walls that Red Rattler mentions. The soil over the tracks are over scattered sections along the line but the vertical walls and rock cones start just south of the spiral, around the spiral, between there and the border tunnel. They are also vertical rock walls near the portals north of the border tunnel. These rock walls near the portals have track attempting to climb them.

These rock walls and large rock cones are on the route as downloaded.

I am curious why the rock walls and rock cones are on the northern section but not found over the rest of the "Kyogle to the Border" route.They remind me of problems that come from a faulty merge yet they are on my route as downloaded.

On a side note, the Border "Crossing Loop" is frequently confused with the "border spiral". The crossing loop is a safeworking feature with a crossing loop track and a mainline track next to each other where one train waits for the other train to go past it and give it the safeworking staff. The spiral is a continuous track that climbs higher through a circle.

Cheers
Peter Cokley

 

[Petan]

Trainz 2010 as updated with SP3 and the later automatic hot fix to solve the system freezing when you attempt to save in surveyor mode.

Route as downloaded before any merging.

Cheers
Peter C

Are these problems after the route has been merged with the other section/s???
Also, with what version of Trainz???
I have been over the track twice and apart from a few minor problems (probably due to merging), I saw nothing like has been mentioned.

Craig


BTW. mine: 2010 build 44088

 

[Red_Rattler]

>> Before I start, it is important that either Petan, and/or moderator remove the links to those ARTC PDF's ASAP, as is it not suppose to be a public page.

* NOTE for those with slower connections: 8 Pictures, most at 800 pixels wide included in post *

* No quoting of my pictures/images permitted *
Seeseeme, no it's just a straight out download, without any merging.

This missing scenery, and moved ground (such as ground moved onto the track) seems to happen a lot in his routes.

Here are the pictures that describe the various points.

KB1. This shows that the passing track is slightly higher on the walk across the tracks, and also that it is slightly higher than rail level on the station track. But that can be easily fixed.

KB2 & 7. Shows the missing scenery at some places, including the Border Loop/Spiral area.

KB3 & 5. Shows how the track is covered by ground in various areas

KB9 & 10. These two photos shows what may happen if you close the route, then later reopen the route. This is the same area, and shows how this "wall of ground" moves. When first downloaded, it looks like the wall was done on purpose to possibly hide the portals to Queensland, but the second picture shows that may not be the case.

 

[Petan]

>> Before I start, it is important that either Petan, and/or moderator remove the links to those ARTC PDF's ASAP, as is it not suppose to be a public page.

Red_Rattler, the ARTC site is a public page. You have confused ARTC with the NSW Railcorp page which has "Dark Page" links. No need to remove the ARTC links.

 

[Petan]

This missing scenery, and moved ground (such as ground moved onto the track) seems to happen a lot in his routes.
Here are the pictures that describe the various points.

Red Rattler, the matters you raise via your pictures and messages do not match the matters I wrote about in my earlier message. I do not have your problems as described by your pictures. The missing scenery is a case in point as that section of my download of Peter Gibbons' route is fully covered by Peters' scenery included with the download. The small amount of soil over the tracks that I reported does not look like your problem so they are also separate to your problem. The wall near the portal is the only common item.

You also said your problems happen a lot in Peter Gibbons designed routes. That is not the case when I download his routes and I consider myself lucky enough to have many of Peter Gibbons' routes. Any problems I have had were described by me in the forums for those routes. I also described the fix for each of my problem eg the download problems and merge problems. I do not have missing scenery for any of his routes.

Red Rattler, I am sorry to hear about your problems but I am sure someone here will soon offer a solution. My suggestion would include combining a twin download method using both the download helper and the FTP process as I described earlier in this route's forum January 13th, 2011 09:11 PM as that method may finally pick up the missing scenery for you.

I wish you luck!

Cheers
Peter Cokley

 

[seeseeme]

Hi Red_Rattler,

Your problems are rather strange. I remember downloading a route by Zec (S301) and there where little "holes" in a few places that went down to Zero ground height (from 20 or whatever). I asked him about this and he said it was still a small problem with 2010, but I am not really sure about this. So some of your problems may just be a 2010 problem and not something that Peter has "missed". I would find it hard to believe that Peter missed them when you look at the rest of the work/layout he has done. Petan also wonders why these problems occur only in one part of the route and not the rest.

When I download a route, any route, I always download via the FTP method as I do not want CM to download any missing content. This way I can check out the route and work out what I want to do with it before downloading a whole heap of missing dependencies. This is what I had done with Peters route here.

When I downloaded the route (and missing content) I found out where the merge point was and then merged the route with the other merged sections. I then checked the route and did not see any of the problems you mentioned.

Now this part I can not explain and it's really strange to me. I just looked at the original route and found this in relation to your images.

Image 1: could not find this problem.

Images 2 & 3: there are no missing textures. I think the one needed there is Sandstone3 kuid:46819:21104. I would be curious to see if that is in your content and if there is/is not a problem with it if you have it.

Image 4: I could not find this problem.

Image 5: YES, I found this one, I can identify it by the green grass ridge that is out of place on the right side.

Images 6 & 7: on the original route I did see this, the raised ground before the portals. Like you though, I exited out of 2010 are looked at your screenshots again then went back into the route and this time I had different raised ground and a section of lowered ground like you show. I then looked at my merged route for a few minutes and then went back into the original route. This time the raised and lowered ground was different again. I then used the tools to flatten the ground the ground and exited out of 2010. When I went back into the route there was no problem at all.

To me this is suggesting a problem with 2010 and not with Peter's route. Petan saw similar problems but maybe not the same ones as you and I, so why are they all different? Why are the problems different each time you open the route where the Portals are?

Again, I think this is a problem with 2010.

The next question I have is;

Why did these problems not show when I merged the route?

Very strange? I will report this thread to Zec/Auran so that Zec can download the route and see if he see's the same results as we have seen. If so he can forward the details to Auran/N3V and they can look into it. I would say no fix will happen until the next version is released but at least they may see what is happening, if it happens to Zec as well.

Craig

 

[misterchugg]

hi all
i got an hour on my pc last night when they all left to go out

i deleted all of the routes and reinstalled them,
but they don't show up at all now in 2010 with all the updates.

anybody got any idea as to what i can do to fix this?

thanks
ron

 

[seeseeme]

Hi Ron,

Do they show up in content Manager?

If so have you checked in Surveyor where the routes are listed, the ones not marked with a Gold Star?

Not sure at the moment of anything else.

Craig

 

[Petan]

Hi Craig,
I see you have written lots of good advice for Red Rattler's problems. I was hoping someone would be able to help Red Rattler!

My problems were the same every time I opened the route but a few minutes using the surveyor tools soon fixed them.

I wonder if Red Rattler's problems were more to do with the download station then the route itself as a vast number of Trainz members would be also reporting the problems if the route itself was faulty, considering that at last count there have been 383 downloads and only very few problems.

As others have said earlier, we need to be very grateful to Peter Gibbons for first of all having the skills to do the route and then freely adding it to the download station so we can use it for our pleasure. If we could add up all the times all his routes have been downloaded, we will soon realise how much we have benefited

Cheers
Peter Cokley

Hi Red_Rattler,
Your problems are rather strange. Craig