Not satisfied with Auran's Support .

[aardvark1]

Well then I have a complaint about the FCPT. I don't want any sea salt because fish use the sea as a toilet. I insist on iodized salt...preferably Morton's. And extra extra butter.

Not a problem, all special requests will be handled by the new executive chef....formerly employed by Burger King.

The King has been....seeking other opportunities....since being terminated.

Have fun,

 

[steve123]

Well i thought i could whine,
for me TS12 is the best, people asked Auran/N3V to do something about frame rates game engine for the last few years and they did
TS12 runs better smoother than any other before it.
95% of problems are with your own hardware, yes it's not compatible with some assets {as it has stated} before you purchased it.

How can they make a more up to date game if you guys want all the older content to go with it ??? smarten up people cut them some slack,

And before asking for your money back read the spec's needed and understand when you add more to a route then the spec's requirements change with every addition to the route,
i would not refund any money at all you have used and registed the produce
steve

 

[gawpo50]

Dinosaur Computer

Oh heck...the route is Norfolk and Western-Appalachian Coal.

I been staying on Port Ogden and Northern. No SpeedTrees and fantastic framerates and scenery. I gave up on The Norfolk and Western Route. I might as well uninstall it. It's a joke in it's present form. TS12 is "okay". Which makes me uncomfortable to say after shelling out $150 for it

Mine is slightly weaker than the the one above...a Pentium 4 3.8Gig, 4 GB RAM, and Nvidia 9600 GT with 2 GIG of RAM. Pentium 4 is not dual core like Pentium D. It runs all but two routes (the two I mention above) just fine. No slideshows or problems and all settings maxed out.

Get a decent computer, works fine on mine.

Hardware is real cheap these days.

 

[sniper297]

"TS12 is the best, people asked Auran/N3V to do something about frame rates game engine for the last few years and they did"

No they didn't.

"TS12 runs better smoother than any other before it."

No it doesn't.

TS12 is TS2010 with some minor tweaks to the sounds (doppler and a volume control), multiplayer, and new routes. They did zip point diddly squat to the graphics engine, it's exactly the same one, and if you do actual controlled tests using same routes, same trains, same camera angles, there's zero difference in performance between TS2010 and TS12. None.

That said, it's no better than TS2010, but it's really no worse either unless you're one of the people who has to have compatibility mode. And anyone who downloads and installs "Gigs" of files created by amateur hackers in their spare time and expects the entire collection to work correctly from the start, and expects out of several thousand freeware downloads he won't get a single one that will screw up the game, should really avoid any game that is user moddable.

 

[leeferr]

Get a decent computer, works fine on mine.

Hardware is real cheap these days.

That's rather insensitive advice. Some are unemployed and can't find a job, so 'real cheap' is a relative phrase.

Mike

 

[targanon]

"

Anyone who downloads and installs "Gigs" of files created by amateur hackers in their spare time

OK I take that on the chin... I"m one of those people.... my only complaint about TS12 is that I bought it on Steam something I'm Correcting right now I'm DL'ing the N#V version of TS12 LOL yeah I know paying again I'm not even going to chase a refund for the steam version... I know I wont get it...
Ok so I D/L gigs of data to get content for region, I live in Australia and I don't recall seeing any pay site with Aussie content. not that I have looked everywhere I guess but I have search a bit for aussie content.. all I find is old stuff that is broken and nolonger supported so I gotta be happy with what I have found that works and I"m hacking my way through my own route Port of Brisbane. Australia's 3rd largest sea port... Real scale.. and as real as I can get with a few artistic and technical modifications to get it to work!

 

[steve123]

TS12 runs much better than 10 and sniper297 you need to take gawpo50's advise which is truth not harsh it's a fact,
can't run a moden car on steam power and keep the preformance up can you

im no tech head but i do build computers and i will tell you right now with better part and newer software things are much smoother
im runninig both TS12 and 10 on the same ssd hard drive and TS12 gets better frame rates much smoother and responsive

and if people can't find work then maybe they need to put as much time into finding a job as they do into playing games on the computer

even the sparrow knows where it's next meal is coming from !
but the sparrow also knows it must get up off it's arse and go get it,
as it will not be dropped in it's mouth

with respect always
steve

 

[aardvark1]

Post deleted by me.

 

[gawpo50]

Better Computer

TS12 runs much better than 10 and sniper297 you need to take gawpo50's advise which is truth not harsh it's a fact,
can't run a moden car on steam power and keep the preformance up can you

im no tech head but i do build computers and i will tell you right now with better part and newer software things are much smoother
im runninig both TS12 and 10 on the same ssd hard drive and TS12 gets better frame rates much smoother and responsive

and if people can't find work then maybe they need to put as much time into finding a job as they do into playing games on the computer

even the sparrow knows where it's next meal is coming from !
but the sparrow also knows it must get up off it's arse and go get it,
as it will not be dropped in it's mouth

with respect always
steve

Thanks Steve although I wasn't commenting on the job part. You know what hardware costs and so do I. Here is an factual example taken from www.i-tech.com.au on pricing and why I stand by my comment about hardware being cheap these days.

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H67N - $144.00
CPU: Intel BX806 Core i5 650 3.2Ghz - $220.00
RAM: Kingston 6GB Memory Kit 1600Mhz - $81.00
Video Card: ATI HD 6450 - $68.00

Total cost including shipping in Australia - $538.00

That will give you a system that will quite happily run TS12 and any routes with it. As for being unemployed, lots of unemployed people here can afford to spend more than that, some a little less but most of them have pretty reasonable PC's.

TS12 is by far the best version yet and I have TS2009 / 10 and TS12.

 

[sniper297]

Well, tell you what kid, you want to keep believing the fantasy that a 2011 Ford Escort with a 2 liter DOHC engine runs better and faster than a 2010 Ford Escort with the exact same 2 liter DOHC engine don't pay any attention to me. :hehe:

"OK I take that on the chin... I"m one of those people..."

Main problem is modern high speed broadband, back in the Days of DOS and Dinosaurs it was ATDT3123875555 Flow Control X-on X-off Protocol whadd'ya mean you ain't got Zmodem? Okay, Xmodem it is. Download, takes hours for a few kilobytes in 1k packets, then SCAN FOR VIRUSES first! Check to make sure you have a recent backup of the entire game directory (what "folders" used to be called) before running PKunzip to open the new file - then test test test to make sure the new file doesn't screw up one of the other addons you have installed before making a new backup of the game and downloading the next addon.

The internet changed all that, made it simple and easy for the computer clueless to download gigs at one time - and then get into major trouble because they downloaded and installed the whole smash, the game will no longer start, and with 3,700 new addons installed all at the same time they don't have the first clue where to look for which addon is the troublemaker. And of course they never made a backup of the game folder, so it's uninstall and reinstall time, after which they'll repeat the same mistakes.

One route at a time, check in content manager for faulty=true and missing dependencies=true, test the route in game to make sure the game still runs and the new route doesn't crash the game, THEN go back to content manager and download something else. Download a complete set of 100 C&NW engines and cars, download a complete set of buildings or bridges, you don't have to be a one at a time fanatic, but DO download in small manageable quantities so you know where to start looking if something blows up.

 

[leeferr]

snip... As for being unemployed, lots of unemployed people here can afford to spend more than that, some a little less but most of them have pretty reasonable PC's.

That may be so, but being unemployed, I'd rather put food on my table than spend money on a machine to play a game. I'm glad that you in Australia are so fortunate. I'm not sure what the unemployed there get in the way of subsidies, but I can tell you that I get absolutely zero. Start living off your savings (if you happen to have any) and see how fast you go out and spend money on hardware. I'm not looking for any sympathy here. I'm just trying to say that you need to consider other peoples situations before you start preaching about how cheap computers are these days. Some of us are forced to stay with the older versions of Trainz because of the hardware that we happen to have and not able to upgrade.

Mike

 

[Dep]

Get a decent computer, works fine on mine.

Hardware is real cheap these days.

Riiiiiiight. An unbiased opinion from the person who wrote the route. Let me just quote you from a post on another thread..."After replacing track, spline foliage and some older content with newer items available now, I got an immediate 6 -8 FPS increase over the route."

How nice. Too bad the rest of us are stuck with the laggy slideshow version of your route. And no way I am buying a new computer just to run that route. Much easier to just delete the route and run one that isn't a slide show. You have the dubious distinction of having SLOWEST route in TS12. Congratulations.

 

[steve123]

with trying to avoid world war three i will not comment any further on the us state of the nation as it only opens a massive can of oil in the middle east
i might add that the Australian dollar had lagged behind the us for years up to 30cent less and our dollar should have been far greater than yours for years which caused Australians to come to hardship as well for the sake of making the us economy look better than it had been
if every nation put in to the nation what it spends on arms and cover ups those nations might be far better off
steve

 

[steve123]

blame the leader of your nation for the state of it ,not comments from those who have always stood by to help.
steve

 

[gawpo50]

Un-biased opinion

Riiiiiiight. An unbiased opinion from the person who wrote the route. Let me just quote you from a post on another thread..."After replacing track, spline foliage and some older content with newer items available now, I got an immediate 6 -8 FPS increase over the route."

How nice. Too bad the rest of us are stuck with the laggy slideshow version of your route. And no way I am buying a new computer just to run that route. Much easier to just delete the route and run one that isn't a slide show. You have the dubious distinction of having SLOWEST route in TS12. Congratulations.

Just for your personal information DEP, I was getting an average of 17 FPS before I did any of what you said above and that was with a nVidia 9500 GTS card. That was what the route was developed using.

 

[mcguirel]

Fantastic illustration Leefer. It is ALL Relative to the individual.

As one who has dealt with such tragedy among other aspects whereas unfairly valued including other unspoken issues I must attend to now, necessity comes before wants.

As for the route in question, updating the over used SpeedTrees with the updates I provided whereas poly counts equal or are less than that of others averaging 3000 polys minus two trees not used heavily therefore these have little impact on performance, you should be able to effecively enjoy it. Your PC setup, drivers, windows index, defragmentation, and operating services have allot to do with overall PC Performance.

 

[leeferr]

I wasn't trying to get into a political discussion as I've always appreciated the friendship of the Austrailians and political discussions will never resolve anything. All I was trying to point out is that everyones situation is different and it's a lot easier to say 'buy new hardware' than it is for some to actually do it.

Mike

 

[mcguirel]

Mike, I also value some of the friendships I have been able to have thru this game, while some I found to be of a different light. I too am not making a political statement, nor desiring adverse communications, but instead attempting to help.

Dep, I rarely visit this forum so I would like to add the following: The poly counts of the updated SpeedTrees I provided to the community will not fully resolve the issue. I have spoke with very nice individuals who own TS12, and the concensus is that the population of my trees were the issue.

Furthurmore, the poly counts of the updated content were also verified to be very efficient. Any replacement asset in the future will not negate the original route with my products incorporated. Furthur poly count reductions would of had adverse effect on the appearance of the route, and I made every attempt to not have this happen with the updated content, even improved IMHO their overall appearance, and assisted the original author of the route without the request to do so but of courtesy later to be not appreciated.

May I suggest about one hour of work after you have the updates:

• Turn on your Statistics in Surveyor
• Place a ruler from a given area you want to start at where you extend to 700 ft perpendicular to the track.
• Delete 50% of the SpeedTrees in an area large enough to make the copy/paste function to be effective yet not intrusive.
• Copy/Paste approx 700 ft judging by eye outward away from the track on both sides over the entire route.
• Check your statistics after a large area has been trimmed down so that you have 2000-3000 SpeedTree assets and no more than 4000 mesh assets ( these will be the Billboards ).

I promise you after this work you will find the performance of the SpeedTree Assets I provided for the originally distributed route is not the issue, it is the SpeedTree Volume which is not of our control.
For any future route builder of Native Mode Routes, may I suggest the above steps with utilization of ANY SpeedTree. Population of SpeedTree has similar adverse FPS Perfromance as that of say TRS2004 Billboard Tree over-population just maybe in a smaller scale.

 

[sparky15]

Funny. You guys argue politics. I'm not dropping $600 to play a $40 pass time. When this confuser dies or the other programs I rely on it for need upgrading, I will. Seeing as those programs do everything I need them to, I'll have to wait till the old girl gives up the ghost. If that means an older version of trainz, so be it. Still fun and works like a charm. FWIW, I still use a ten year old IMac 500 Indigo for photo editing because I love the screen on it.

Gawpo50 built a route. Get off his back as he used what was available. The other half surprised me with TS12, she thought it was the Mac version. I can't run his route but don't blame him. I'm back to TRS2006 and happy with it. Still can build and run routes with it to my hearts content. Content decisions will keep me there a long time either way.

I have bought payware and I'll miss using it but I'll go with performance until hardware replacement becomes necessary. Still some great stuff out there to keep me amused for years.

Latest is not always greatest if you actually enjoy the hobby as I do.

Dave.........

 

[leeferr]

I haven't made a single political statement. Being unemployed is not a political statement.

Mike