NEW GTX 280 thoughts??

Bigbird76

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Planning on getting a 280 GTX as my 8800GTX is starting to struggle with fallout 3 and i think 2009 trainz would also benefit from this

Anyone here using a GTX 280 or 260 with TRS 06 or 09 with plenty of content if so whats it like??

I have 4gb of ram ready on the shelf waiting, And I am planning on getting vista home premium 32bit then a new gfx card to suit and a power supply unit for the card of course.

Any comments welcome guys hard earned cash burning a hole in my pocket id rather spend it on a pc than in the pub..

Situated in UK

Cheers

Leigh
 
fallout will run with very high graphics settings on my machine

specs are
asus p5kpl-vm motherboard
2 gb ram
gainward 9600gso 768mb
3 x 160gb wd hdd
core 2 duo 2.2gzh

however there is a higher graphics setting :ultra

will get my friend to tell me more he just got a gtx 280 and he plays fallout as well and lots or high demand games
 
I've recently upgraded to a 280 GTX (old card was a 9800 GX2). Definitely noticed a better frame rate running large detailed routes, and would highly recommend the 280 gtx... (They are a great video cards, but they are still very expensive). Over 1000 kiwi dollars here in NZ... (If the wallet isn't a really fat one, you will get a better bang for your bucket with a 260 GTX)...
Cheers, Mac...
 
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Hello,

I just installed my new 280 card (replaced 9600GT-512MB). I have a 8400 Core2Duo 3.0Ghz CPU with 4GB RAM with 32 bit XP-Home OS. I forgot to check if my new computer supported PCI-E 2.0, it does not. So I have a new motherboard arriving in a few days. PCI-E 2.0 passes double the data compared to 1.0 . . . what that means with regards to Trainz performance is yet to be seen. I don't expect any great difference. The 280 card runs just fine in a 1.0 slot.

WARNING :
I have a very, very complex route (tons of trees, objects and ground textures). I was working on it in 2006 and ran into the 2GB size limit. When you hit this limit, the normal SAVE function stops working and you can only SAVE AS and overwrite the current route name. The only problem is . . . only the CURRENT session is saved with the route because when you use SAVE AS, Trainz generates a NEW KUID number for your route. Every time you save, your route KUID changes. All sessions you created before gets orphaned. Its a hassel !

I am still running 2009 Beta . . . Santa lost my boxed DVD set. I started "chopping up" my route into smaller pieces in 2009. So far I've been able to avoid the 2GB limit with each of my "pieces". Building in pieces is a MUST for large and complex route builders.

Here are some examples of my route that shows what I mean by "complex" :
(1366x768 - large images)


280GTX Improvement:

On MY ROUTE . . . due to the complexities, the improvement in video performance is not much. THIS IS NOT the fault of the video card . . . rather, due to the complex nature of the route, the CPU is NOT FAST ENOUGH to pass display information to the video card. The worst areas only saw a 1 fps improvement. But . . . I am averaging 18 fps in Tracking Camera mode and average of 22 fps in External and Cab mode. Now, its not "smooth" but much more tolerable.

Trainz, like most games is a SINGLE CORE software. In 2009 some steps were taken to take advantage of "dual core", but it is still a single core engine. Using 64 bit O/S with 8GB of RAM may allow you to SAVE a larger route but Trainz can only "claim" a maximum 2GB of RAM when launched through setting the "resource cache" to 2048 in the Options Menu. Its the Mhz that counts . . . A 3.0Ghz Core2 will probably outperform a 2.0Ghz Quad Core CPU, as far as Trainz is concerned.

I see great improvements on Built-in routes. Maria's Pass route never drops below 27 fps and average is around 35 to 40. An improvement of about 40% over my old card. So, for 95% of users, 280GTX should be a "dream" card. (Films are 24fps and Video standard is 30fs)

TS2009 Implications / what to avoid :
In 2009, the draw distance was increased. This can be a benefit or a curse. Farther distance means more 3D calculations for the CPU, a drop in fps performance. For a route like mine, I can only set the distance just a notch more than 2006.

The areas where I see a dramatic drop in fps performance are the the areas where I have a very large horseshoe curve an a very large loop-over. These types of features on your route will include immense area of coverage for 3D calculations. While these features are nice, it can kill fps performance on complex routes. Something to think about.

I like placing a lot of "Tracking Cameras" on my route. BUT . . . following your train with the Tracking Camera reduces fps performance by 10% to 20%. Each change in "point of view" requires a large amount of "re-calculation" and can dip the fps momentarily down to below 5 for a second or two. It looks like a video "stutter". Tracking Cameras are cool but be aware that it drops fps performance.

Even the External View's angle affects fps. When following my train, I try to keep the horizon up in the top 5~10% of the screen. If the horizon is lower, fps will drop.

In most cases, a 280GTX will eliminate issues that I still have to deal with on my route. If the route is a simple one like the 2006 built-in "City and Country", fps never drops below 30 and runs an average of 50. On routes like these, Tracking Camera, External Camera angle, loops and horseshoe curves are not an issue.

I like my 280GTX. I will recommend it to anyone with higher Mhz CPU. This card is so fast, it will reveal inadequate CPU and bus speeds.
 
i have 2 evga gtx 260's.

obviously these smoke what i had, so i'll just give you an ideal of frames.

1) 1 agp ati radeon x1650 pro= 15 fps (frames per second)

2) 2 evga gtx 260's sli'd and overclocked
(core clock @ 684 mhz, shader at 1474, memory at 1107, fan at 100)
fps on opengl=60....fps on directx=91

all frames above are from same route and are roughly the average. route is high detail and about 45 miles long, so hope that helps. by the way, i would recommend these cards to anyone. thanks
 
Thanks for all the comments guys, quite a lot of info for me here especially edion2's input, Some nice screenshots there on my route the pc does slow down quite a bit as i have so much detail on parts of the route it would be nice to get everything to run nice but somehow i cannot see that happening even if i had a £2000/$4000 Pc machine.

I have put some stuff together what do you guys think.

My system is:-

Intel Q6600 go stepping Quad core 2.4ghz
Asus PK5E motherboard dont know if this supports PCI 2.0
2gb corsair DDR2 pc6400 ram matched pair
Xfx 8800GTX 768mb graphics card
Creative Xfi gamer soundcard

Enermax 580w PSU
Windows Xp Sp2

Have 4GB OCZ pc6400 800mhz 2x2gb sticks ready

Planning on getting:-


GTX 280

Vista Home premium 64bit (Might as well make most of the ram)

New power supply unit (Enermax maybee??)



Also

I read that if i install Vista on my current PC i cannot transfer it to a new motherboard in like 2 yrs or so time is this correct? It seems a bit silly to me and another shell out of £100 or so

Comments welcome

Leigh



 
Bigbird76 - I would go for a bigger PSU, at lest 600W and if you may someday go sli at lest 800w. Vista can have a mb update just like XP, you may have to call MS but not a big deal as Win7 will be out in two years.
 
Bigbird...
My suggestion, put the 4 gigs of Ram in & the 280 gtx card. It will start to hum then & should give you much better frame rates...
Cheers, Mac...;)
 
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Well i have taken the plunge and purchased a Zotac 280 GTX Amp today, all the 280's have dropped over the last few days due to the fact that the GTX 295 has been released.

Looking for a new PSU now

Still a bit confused about vista 64bit though, Some say trs 06 and 09 run well on vista and some say its not worth upgrading your Operating system yet very confusing.

Comments welcome

Leigh
 
got the same card as you gtx 280 amp, a minimum of 550 watt psu is needed so a 700 watt is your minimum I would think to make sure you have power to spare.
 
i have 2 evga gtx 260's.

obviously these smoke what i had, so i'll just give you an ideal of frames.

1) 1 agp ati radeon x1650 pro= 15 fps (frames per second)

2) 2 evga gtx 260's sli'd and overclocked
(core clock @ 684 mhz, shader at 1474, memory at 1107, fan at 100)
fps on opengl=60....fps on directx=91

all frames above are from same route and are roughly the average. route is high detail and about 45 miles long, so hope that helps. by the way, i would recommend these cards to anyone. thanks

It's apparent that UP pays way too much :)
 
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