Need advice from a steam enthusiast

[tbryson2]

I am in the process of building another version of the Jenny Lind. Obviously I still have a ways to go, but getting there. The two images are not exact, but will be when I'm done.

I'm having a difficult time with the interior of this engine. How was the interior laid out? Where did the wood / water go? It did not (appear to) have a tender to store the wood / water, so how did they do it? On the Jenny Lind and Pioneer I released, there is a "bucket" (for the lack of a better term) behind the firebox that contained the necessary wood/water. That "bucket" would pretty much fill the entire area of the cab above, so I know that cannot be correct for this engine.

I'm assuming, (yes, I know), that this engine had an "extended cab" for maintenance or track inspection, or for simply hauling people around(?). It's obviously some kind of utility vehicle.

IF anyone would send images (drawn or photograph) that would better explain the interior, I would appreciate it! May have to take some artistic liberties here, but that's what happens when you do this kind of work.

TB

 

[TweetsieDude]

From trying to zoom in as closely as I could, and reading some history of the pioneer, and technical diagrams and such; I'm going to assume it's in the same place as the pioneer. or behind the firebox under the frame. Since #14 was built as an inspection engine, it's possible that there was indeed a bunker for the wood, and tank in the housing as on the pioneer, just with a seat or two behind it. Like I said, I'm guestimating on this one. The Jenny Lind has a full stroke crosshead water pump, while the pioneer had a half stroke one. I hope I can help. Here's a link I've been reading from. I'll continue researching.

http://www.sil.si.edu/smithsoniancontributions/HistoryTechnology/pdf_lo/SSHT-0025.pdf

Rock On!
~Dusten

 

[whitepass]

I would think there would be a hach and pipe from the roof to the water tank, and a door at the back.

 

[TweetsieDude]

I found two engines similar. To see if you can see something I don't.

Rock on!
~Dusten

 

[tbryson2]

Thanks Dusten! That is the same book I got the specs for the Pioneer from. Your probably right, and the wood / water is stored the same, but with seats in the rear. (I assume they faced aft?).

Thanks for your help, I'll continue to plug away on my end and let's hope someone can shed some light on this. Otherwise, it gets released however I think makes the most sense.

TB

 

[tbryson2]

On that top engine, it does not even LOOK like they have storage for consumables! Looks like the area behind the engineer is a type of office or something! Strange, but we KNOW it had to store these necessary items somewhere!

Thanks for the feedback!

TB

 

[ZecMurphy]

Hi Tbryson2
Looking at it, I'm wondering if the bench seat in the back of the cab in Dusten's image is either part of the water tank, or a fuel bunker? I'm also thinking it may have been a well tank? It's also quite possible that fuel was stacked at the front of the cab on both sides (more so on the fireman's side I'd expect), on top of the wheel arches.

It may also have run on coke or coal rather than wood? If so, then fuel would be much much easier to carry. We ran with coke on the earlier steam locomotives in Australia, and it was just as bad as wood in terms of sparks!

Regards

 

[TweetsieDude]

I don't think it's a well tank because it needed the clearance for the valve gear. There might be a tank located under the cab behind the firebox, but I don't see how that would work only because I can't see a hatch for the water to go in. Our water tanks were pretty high, and didn't have the curtains to reach lower standing tanks on well tanks. If you look behind the man standing at the door, it's solid at the bottom towards his feet, so I am wondering if that is the area for the fuel and water.

Rock On!
~Dusten

 

[tbryson2]

The Jenny Lind has a full stroke crosshead water pump, while the pioneer had a half stroke one.
Rock On!
~Dusten

What exactly are you looking at when you state "full stroke crosshead water pump" as opposed to the half stroke? Is there a way you can pinpoint it on the image of the Jenny Lind and perhaps also point to it on an image of the Pioneer?

Thanks!

 

[MeowRailroad]

Maybe it is a saddle tank with a very small boiler, and the coal is stored in the boiler. :hehe:

 

[TweetsieDude]

Unfortunatly I can't pinpoint it on the image provided, thought I can see it. It's this thing right here.

Pioneer had her's under the cab, and was connected by the crankpin.

Rock On!
~Dusten

 

[tbryson2]

Sorry Dusten, I see a LOT of stuff in that picture, not sure exactly what your focusing on. I'm mostly curious. Don't want to get off topic here (too much!)

TB

 

[simulatortrain]

I'm not going to say this for sure, but I think I remember reading that the back of the cab with the inspection seats was separated by a wall from the front part. I will take a look in my CVRR book and see if I can prove/disprove that for you.