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Train tracks and roads momentarilly disappear sometimes while driving. Tracks and roads don't render sometimes in Surveyor Classic or Driver without restarting. Tracks and roads sometimes slow to load on the screen.
 
It is quite likely due to your graphics hardware, either lack of memory or memory clock speed or both. I had the same problem with TRS22 when it first launched. (GTX1660ti 6gb) It improved when I got a AMD RX7600 and now the problem has disappeared with an nVidia RTX4060 8GB. This is something that you can't blame N3V for, unless you want to complain that their product is too good for your computer. Maybe adjust your settings down somewhat.
 
It is quite likely due to your graphics hardware, either lack of memory or memory clock speed or both. I had the same problem with TRS22 when it first launched. (GTX1660ti 6gb) It improved when I got a AMD RX7600 and now the problem has disappeared with an nVidia RTX4060 8GB. This is something that you can't blame N3V for, unless you want to complain that their product is too good for your computer. Maybe adjust your settings down somewhat.
I have a lot of new PC hardware upgrade still on order including: ZOTAC Gaming GeForce RTX 4070 Super Twin Edge OC DLSS 3 12GB GDDR6X 192-bit 21 Gbps PCIE 4.0 Compact Gaming Graphics Card, IceStorm 2.0 Advanced Cooling, Spectra RGB Lighting, ZT-D40720H-10M

There will also be a new AMD Ryzen™ 9 7900X3D 12-Core, 24-Thread Desktop Processor to boot!

Will my existing 550 Watt PSU even suffice for 2022?

Otherwise, I honestly don't know what the problem is. I'm not blaming anybody right now.

 
It will be close.....600W minimum is what I would like to see.....750 would make me feel better.

The new Zotac card will pull 220 Watts max and the Ryzen 9, 120 Watts. The mobo, up to another 80 watts. That is 420 Watts total. That's 130 Watts to spare. Cooling fans, RAM and hard drive consume little power. Some gaming cards are "greener" than others.

My new hardware upgrades should be more than enough 'horsepower' to run Trainz or any other sim I have like Microsoft Flight Simulator X and American Truck Driver by Steam on maxed-out settings. A $400 Marantz audio receiver will be pushing Trainz sound through the 2.1 speaker system.
 
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Lower V-sync to half, and reduce tree quality to normal if you've set that high. This will put less pressure on your video card. I did this with my RTX3080 and there's much smoother performance.

The thing is, we may think we have the fastest hardware ever made, which is true in some ways, but Trainz uses assets of various quality with some being better optimized than others. By lowering the pressure on the video card, this makes things render a lot smoother. The V-sync at 30 fps, will appear like 60 fps or faster due to less lugging on the screen.

There's one more thing that needs mentioning. Disable any kind of variable refresh on your display and video card. Trainz definitely doesn't like that, in fact most programs don't, and that can really cause rendering problems let alone headaches from the micro-stuttering.
 
Train tracks and roads momentarilly disappear sometimes while driving. Tracks and roads don't render sometimes in Surveyor Classic or Driver without restarting. Tracks and roads sometimes slow to load on the screen.
Same problem here. As you mentioned, restarting the PC and restarting Trainz seems to be the fix. But exiting and restarting Trainz without a PC restart doesn't help.

Why? My theory is that the latest version of Trainz (Trainz Plus here) is not properly freeing up memory no longer needed by the caching process (even if Trainz is exited) so over time things bog down. A PC restart gets rid of the problem, and I have gotten used to doing PC restarts, which I never had to do in older versions.

If Trainz works fine after a PC restart, this seems to be evidence that the problem is not caused by inadequate hardware or Trainz settings issues.
 
This hints to another issue besides graphics and one I found out recently when I loaded up a bunch of very nice Amtrak Amfleet passenger cars. A few of them were okay but having a lot of them sent the program into a fit. When I deleted a bunch of passenger consists with these, my track and other splines drew in fine and quite fast too without the big crawl or big blank spots on my 200-plus mile route I started in TRS2004 back in January 2004.

While I was troubleshooting the problem, I checked the Client Logs. In there are a bunch of script errors and warnings related to the same passenger cars. Hmmm... I should've seen this as a red flag, no pun intended, because there were lots and lots of them.

The problem is an outdated or corrupted script will hog resources causing other processes to lag behind until the script times-out or is forced closed by the program. This was always a problem and worse in TS12 and why some scripts now have timeouts.

What this means is scripts can also cause the graphics not to load as they bog down other functions and consume resources. When the graphics developed the slow load, I had AI drivers acting weird, or weirder than they normally are due to these scripts blocking their function as well.

A simple way to find out if this is the issue is to pause the program while in Driver. This will give the graphics part to catch up and get ahead of the scripts. The other clue is being in Surveyor. While in the route building mode, everything draws quickly, but while in session-creation, the graphics start to draw in slowly just like in driver.

A more complex way is to enable some options in the Dev tab located in Trainz settings on the Launcher. If you want to try this, check the following boxes:

Enable advanced debug tools - I always enable this.
Show script exception notifications ---- this will show the infamous red bug.
Log script output ---- this will put this to a log window that you can view later, and finally
Log script message handling ---- just as the option says. I found this to be a bit too much for what I was looking for and disabled it.

Once I used other Amfleet cars by PerRock, which sadly can't be downloaded right now due to his website being down, I had no problem afterwards even with the same number of Amtrack passenger trains pulling Amfleet cars.
 
John another problem I have is a lot of frame shudder driving near the yard, passing by it, in the city of Denver in West From Denver. I suspect this is because there are a lot of "drive-able" engines parked in the yard as scenery. This only happens on the mainline near the part of the yard where there is a big collection of drive-able locomotives. When I drive by a section of the yard with just non-powered train cars, frame rate is normal.

Some of these engines in the yard have the headlights on. They just sit there with the lights on and the diesel motors idling. This is done by putting the switch lights on command on the schedule lines by drivers in Driver Setup and nothing else. These static-purposed engines do nothing but shine their lights when the session is started. I do that too for other drive-able vehicles used as static scenery. Speeders and MOW trucks at track repair scenes at track repair sites. Engines kept in trackside sheds for emergency recovery or helper duty. Drive-able road trucks and busses at grade crossings. Like leaving your home lights on at night for security, having static vehicles with lights on (especially at night) adds a more "lived-in" look to a route in Trainz or even a physical model train layout. I like the fact that most small towns and villages along the West From Denver route have a bunch of illuminated houses and buildings so the route doesn't look like a ghost town at night. The lit skyscrapers of downtown Denver look pretty in the nighttime skyline.
 
I have a lot of new PC hardware upgrade still on order including: ZOTAC Gaming GeForce RTX 4070 Super Twin Edge OC DLSS 3 12GB GDDR6X 192-bit 21 Gbps PCIE 4.0 Compact Gaming Graphics Card, IceStorm 2.0 Advanced Cooling, Spectra RGB Lighting, ZT-D40720H-10M

There will also be a new AMD Ryzen™ 9 7900X3D 12-Core, 24-Thread Desktop Processor to boot!

Will my existing 550 Watt PSU even suffice for 2022?

Otherwise, I honestly don't know what the problem is. I'm not blaming anybody right now.

The manufacturer recommends a 750w power supply for that card as a minimum
 
Some of these engines in the yard have the headlights on.
I have a yard set up with static locomotives, a lot of them too, and don't have that issue.

Try turning off the headlights. Headlights are different than other light sources in Trainz.

Remember Trainz pushes hardware and you may want to address power-consumption as Graeme points out your video card is typically underpowered by whoever made your PC. I said typical because most system builders always put in minimum spec power supplies. These work fine for everyday use but not always enough to allow for hard use or wiggle room in case you want to add in another hard disk or more memory.
 
I have a yard set up with static locomotives, a lot of them too, and don't have that issue.

Try turning off the headlights. Headlights are different than other light sources in Trainz.

Remember Trainz pushes hardware and you may want to address power-consumption as Graeme points out your video card is typically underpowered by whoever made your PC. I said typical because most system builders always put in minimum spec power supplies. These work fine for everyday use but not always enough to allow for hard use or wiggle room in case you want to add in another hard disk or more memory.
I have some $1,700 in combined upgrade hardware and software in transit right now. The PC upgrade will also be getting Windows 11 Home OEM to boot. That will really give something for Trainz to try to take the bull by the horns. I dare Trainz to beat up $1,700 worth of my PC add-ons! ;)

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Some nice bits and pieces there, very close to my own system specs, but it most likely wont be enough to run Trainz22 with the highest settings. I would suggest lowering the draw distance to about 8000 metres and shadow quality to medium. That should allow the rest to run maxed out. It isn't so much about the quality of shadows, but more about the number of asset types that throw a shadow. A 2tb m.2 NVMe drive exclusively for Trainz would be recommended also as they are faster than SSD.
cheers
Graeme
 
Some nice bits and pieces there, very close to my own system specs, but it most likely wont be enough to run Trainz22 with the highest settings. I would suggest lowering the draw distance to about 8000 metres and shadow quality to medium. That should allow the rest to run maxed out. It isn't so much about the quality of shadows, but more about the number of asset types that throw a shadow. A 2tb m.2 NVMe drive exclusively for Trainz would be recommended also as they are faster than SSD.
cheers
Graeme
It sounds like no PC is ever good enough for Trainz regardless of hardware price. There seems to be no end to the hardware game.

I checked the new mobo I have on order. Yes, it does support the m.2 form factor. I would have to send back the Samsung 1TB SATA SSD on order and the mounting adapter bracket. There is a Samsung 2TB NVMe M.2 at amazon for about $130. Do I still need an additional hard drive to the m.2? Will the m.2 handle everything?
 
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Personally I would use the SSD for Windows and keep the M.2 free for Trainz and they are the easiest drive to install. An RTX4090 would go close to running Trainz22 on full settings with your processor, but they are hideously expensive.
 
Personally I would use the SSD for Windows and keep the M.2 free for Trainz and they are the easiest drive to install. An RTX4090 would go close to running Trainz22 on full settings with your processor, but they are hideously expensive.
How does one assign Trainz to its own separate hard drive? I have a micro-ATX case and I'm not sure if a 4090 is even offered in a small form factor edition anyway.
 
How does one assign Trainz to its own separate hard drive? I have a micro-ATX case and I'm not sure if a 4090 is even offered in a small form factor edition anyway.
I have a smaller-sized RTX3080. It's an OEM for Dell but other manufacturers have made them as well. Instead of having 3-fans, mine only has 2-fans and works just the same as the others.

To install Trainz on another drive:

When the installer asks for a location to put it, type in a new place such as D:\TRS22 PE.

Copy your Trainz data to your D: drive and rename the folder to something other than Build xxxxxx -- where xxxxxx = the alphanumeric sequence. I call my folder on F: PLUS_DATA since I use Plus.

The installer will then ask you for your data location. You can either pick the location during the installation but I let the program take the default set up and then point to my own data-folder. It's a lot easier that way I think.

Since this is an existing data-folder, you will not be asked for display set up or for your username and password. If you are asked for this information, it means TRS22 PE chose the wrong folder. As I said, it's easier to let it do its thing, then pick my own later.
 
I have a smaller-sized RTX3080. It's an OEM for Dell but other manufacturers have made them as well. Instead of having 3-fans, mine only has 2-fans and works just the same as the others.

To install Trainz on another drive:

When the installer asks for a location to put it, type in a new place such as D:\TRS22 PE.

Copy your Trainz data to your D: drive and rename the folder to something other than Build xxxxxx -- where xxxxxx = the alphanumeric sequence. I call my folder on F: PLUS_DATA since I use Plus.

The installer will then ask you for your data location. You can either pick the location during the installation but I let the program take the default set up and then point to my own data-folder. It's a lot easier that way I think.

Since this is an existing data-folder, you will not be asked for display set up or for your username and password. If you are asked for this information, it means TRS22 PE chose the wrong folder. As I said, it's easier to let it do its thing, then pick my own later.
When one puts Trainz on its own drive, how does that actually affect game performance? After one installs Trainz in the customary way, couldn't one just simply copy the entire N3V folder to the special dedicated hard drive and launch the game right from there?
 
Game performance has no relation to what the drive letter is. With Trainz the only thing that matters is that the speed of the drive is as fast as possible to cut down access times. Copying the entire N3V folder is not recommended as it contains a redirect file. You can separate the program and the data without any problems and with the data on a separate drive, you won't lose it if you have to reinstall windows.
 
I found this following video:

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I think I will order that secondary m.2 drive after all. I should install all my sims (except for TS12) on it: TS22, TANE, American Truck Driver, Microsoft Flight Simulator X Deluxe.

If it is even possible to install my MS Fight Sim on a second drive since it is a boxed 2-disk version. My ATD is Steam-based. My Trainz installers are digital downloads.
 
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