Make it easier to find non-DLS assets

Dave, you raise an issue that's been bugging me for years. I've actually never downloaded anything off the DLS after running into trouble with the UP Gas Turbine model. I did download it, only to find I had to download bogeys from here and something else from there. In the end I gave up.

In some respects, Auran shouldn't accept an item unless all the dependencies are on the DLS. There's nothing worse than walking into a store and purchasing something, only to find out you need another component from somewhere else. Electronics are a good example. You always worry that the items you want from St. elsewhere may not be available, or even work with the thing you purchased.

Third party purveyors always start off with good intentions, but it doesn't take long for them to (a) lose interest, (b) modify their web site and forget to redirect, (c) forget to pay for their URL, etc. As an example, I ran the first Trainz Community Web Ring which listed well over 100 sites, many of which contained assets. After three years all but a dozen of those sites were defunct. Then take all the sites hosted by GeoCities. They were all wiped out when Yahoo pulled the plug. We can't blame Yahoo as half their million plus sites were dead. Despite notifying everyone a hundred times over, hardly anyone bothered to move their site to other servers. We lost dozens of great Trainz sites as a result.

Time is our enemy. many of the great assets out there are/were stored on private sites owned by people who have now moved on. Once you lose interest, it's difficult to be concerned about the people who are interested in you.

There is no solution. Attrition is guaranteed. The DLS for all its faults, is the only safe haven for assets, but it now faces pressure to support current versions of Trains and let anything that doesn't work with 2009/10 fall by the wayside.

R.I.P.

P.S. There may be around this problem. N3V (Auran) could stipulate that any third party item built for Trainz other that certified payware, is open source. (Public Domain) That way people could store stuff on other sites so that the item would at least be available from somewhere. Too many people have walked away and dumped their stuff, but the do-gooder's are all screaming "Copyright!"
 
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When Trainz UTC came out, there were very few 3rd paty sites around.
At the time I thought Auran had cornered the market to prevent Pirates having access to their content.
The simple solution is to check content coming in against the database and if there are items not on it, then reject the item. This would of course cause outrage from creators.
It is a catch 22 situation.
 
The daft thing is the thing you are all asking for has been available for years and hardly anybody uses it. You can upload to the DLS and then specify a link to your own web site to download the asset. It looks as though it's on the DLS but is actually hosted somewhere else. I've no idea what CMP does when it finds one of these links though, but that's hardly a content creator problem.

Paul
 
Third party purveyors always start off with good intentions, but it doesn't take long for them to (a) lose interest, (b) modify their web site and forget to redirect, (c) forget to pay for their URL, etc. As an example, I ran the first Trainz Community Web Ring which listed well over 100 sites, many of which contained assets. After three years all but a dozen of those sites were defunct. Then take all the sites hosted by GeoCities. They were all wiped out when Yahoo pulled the plug. We can't blame Yahoo as half their million plus sites were dead. Despite notifying everyone a hundred times over, hardly anyone bothered to move their site to other servers. We lost dozens of great Trainz sites as a result.

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There is no solution. Attrition is guaranteed. The DLS for all its faults, is the only safe haven for assets, but it now faces pressure to support current versions of Trains and let anything that doesn't work with 2009/10 fall by the wayside.

This is why I wish creators, upon leaving the development community, to either make your stuff freeware and put it on the DLS, or at least allow others to handle your content for the rest of the community. I understand life gets in the way, but, unless you are physically unable, at least turn your stuff over to someone else to handle or put it in the public domain. I've already put a notice in my Main Street route that if I should leave the community, my creations will revert to public domain and may be put on the DLS (though I intend to do so anyway, of course!) I can only imagine how much excellent content has evaporated into the ether. Considering how much time I've put into my route, and into learning Blender, I sure wouldn't want all that hard work going to waste.
 
John,
Not accepting an item because all the dependencies are not on the DLS just puts MORE content on third party sites. In a way, it makes the dependency hunt worse.

Attracting more content to the DLS is the only real answer I think, where CM can do what it was designed to do. Like Paul said you can link to a site from the DLS, but the content still isn't there. You can do it from the FTP, but I don't think CM will redirect automatically to download the item. You also have the problem of that site going down, creator leaving, etc.

Less people using the DLS in favor of third party sites is just going to make the matter worse. A change in policy may benefit the end users Auran wants to attract. Attention spans aren't what they used to be and user frustration may hurt the bottom line more than a change in policy.

Dave.......
 
I know that I would defiantly think about putting my content on the DLS (I already do If requested to) if Auran upped their game, sorted out Content Manager and hopefully changed the look and feel of the DLS (It's looks old and unattractive now doesn't it!)


Regards,
Phil
 
FTP don't do it either.

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Note that says "multi number library" for dependencies, where does it list other dependencies? Clueless newby downloading that six months from now will get this in the content manager;

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Ridiculous part is I didn't know any of this when I uploaded those engines, and the first email I got said it's on hold because it "requires dependencies that are not on the DLS. We are contacting the authors of those dependencies, until then this is on hold." A few hours later I get another email saying the upload has been approved and will appear in a few hours - which naturally leads one to assume that they got all the dependencies uploaded. Obviously not.

Again, I got no beef with anyone not wanting to upload stuff to the DLS, but if something requires dependencies that are not on the DLS it should say that somewhere before you download it. Meantime I gotta fix it by creating a new version with KUID numbers and URL links added to the description, AFAIK that's the only way it can be done at present.
 
I would like to see all Content OpenSourced and to download all Routes with all the Content included with that Route, same goes for Locos, Rolling Stock and all multi-part Content. What will happen if Auran/N3V/Trainz ever go bust ?
 
I've given up spending hours looking for assets not on the DLS now if google don't throw up anything I chuck the item....

What I have started doing though is making a spread sheet up with the asset kuid author name link to the site pack name if it's in a pack.

That way I can quickly look at it and know what asset the person is after and can provide them the link.

It takes time but when I upload something I know that I can tell people where an asset is withing seconds...

Rusty
 
What seems to be forgotten is that the creators email address 'should' be in the config, if it is, then that is where the user should go. My email address is there but I can count on less than two hands the queries I have had as a result.

Anyway to add to the list

kuid 44700 go to www.trainzone.co.nz

Peter
 
Great idea for a thread Paul and there are sum great points here and i hope it gets us all a system we can use and rely on for finding missing Dependencies but here is sumone we can learn from.
http://www.checkrail.com/

Have a look down the bottom of the page for the part about missing content.Now I'm not saying we should all make our own Websites for hosting our own routes and stuff but if Andy can go to all that effort for his Routes,Sessions and Rolling Stock and a couple of them are very big Routes,If sum body finds a missing link then Dermmy tracks it down and adjusts his site accordingly.
It is a pleasure to download stuff from his site because of the effort he puts in.
Cheers Mick.:D
 
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