Looking for White River, VT DEM not DLS version

[rwk]

I tried Fishlips site on Wayback but none of the links work for the cdp file. The DEM on the DLS goes from White River, Jct. south to Brattleboro, VT but the non-DLS one goes north of White River Jct. to St. Johnsbury, VT. I thought somebody archived most of his DEM's? I merged a few gfisher Vermont and NH routes together, and I need at least the section from Wells River, VT to White River Jct. VT to merge the DLS blank route with my merged routes. I can merge the DLS White River to Brattleboro route to a Bellows Falls to Rutland route I have then merge a Rutland to Whitehall, NY route to it.

 

[JCitron]

I tried Fishlips site on Wayback but none of the links work for the cdp file. The DEM on the DLS goes from White River, Jct. south to Brattleboro, VT but the non-DLS one goes north of White River Jct. to St. Johnsbury, VT. I thought somebody archived most of his DEM's? I merged a few gfisher Vermont and NH routes together, and I need at least the section from Wells River, VT to White River Jct. VT to merge the DLS blank route with my merged routes. I can merge the DLS White River to Brattleboro route to a Bellows Falls to Rutland route I have then merge a Rutland to Whitehall, NY route to it.

I have that file, but it's corrupted like many of the others.

 

[rwk]

What does corrupted mean? That it's unusable? It won't load in Surveyor? His DEM's throw an error in newer Trainz versions that's easy to fix. The error is that the tag USA doesn't exist, so you have to delete the USA tag in the config, save the config, commit, and then the file will be error free. The only other way would be if someone could make me the DEM with TransDEM or something. About 37 miles in a straight line.

 

[JCitron]

What does corrupted mean? That it's unusable? It won't load in Surveyor? His DEM's throw an error in newer Trainz versions that's easy to fix. The error is that the tag USA doesn't exist, so you have to delete the USA tag in the config, save the config, commit, and then the file will be error free.

Corrupted in this case means that you can't even open the cdp file. The file is unrecognized when brought into Content Manager due to something being damaged within the file. This is a problem with many of the files that were on this website.

 

[rwk]

Oh well, maybe I will have two separate routes or try to ask somebody to make the DEM for me. I have a person in mind, BlackDiamond1964. I can grab the other White River DEM off the DLS and merge it with a Bellows Falls to Rutland route then merge a Rutland, VT to Whitehall, NY route. I'm only missing 37 miles or so. I want to run steam and diesel excursions on Green Mountain Railroad as well as Bellows Falls to White River Jct. and return and steam and diesel excursions on the Lamoille Valley which is actually a rail trail now but my world is fictional. Maybe I will connect my Conway Scenic route to this as well, at Whitefield, NH. My Conway Scenic will be an extension of a Control Point payware Maine Central Mountain Div. route which only has some of the Conway Scenic.

 

[JCitron]

Oh well, maybe I will have two separate routes or try to ask somebody to make the DEM for me. I have a person in mind, BlackDiamond1964. I can grab the other White River DEM off the DLS and merge it with a Bellows Falls to Rutland route then merge a Rutland, VT to Whitehall, NY route. I'm only missing 37 miles or so. I want to run steam and diesel excursions on Green Mountain Railroad as well as Bellows Falls to White River Jct. and return and steam and diesel excursions on the Lamoille Valley which is actually a rail trail now but my world is fictional. Maybe I will connect my Conway Scenic route to this as well, at Whitefield, NH. My Conway Scenic will be an extension of a Control Point payware Maine Central Mountain Div. route which only has some of the Conway Scenic.

A route generated with TransDEM will not merge well with routes created with HOG.

The problem is HOG uses the old TIGER maps which are notoriously inaccurate and many times out of position by as much as a kilometer or more. There are places on some maps where the railroad is shown going over a hill instead of following the grade below. There are other issues include the overall world-positioning. TransDEM allows for adjusting terrain by up to about a half a baseboard on the X, Y axis. These old routes are usually way off and won't line up at all. I ran into this myself when I brought in a TransDEM addition to George Fisher's Gloucester Terminal Railroad.

There's nothing stopping you from trying but I foresee a lot of frustration trying to line things up especially when crossing the White Mountains. There will be nothing worse than your train line running smack dab into the side of Mount Washington.

 

[rwk]

I found that out some time ago, I've been using Trainz as long as you about. I switched to Trainz from MSTS. HOG and TransDEM routes sometimes don't play nice together. Even HOG routes sometimes don't play nice together. What I mean by that is I have two HOG routes from the DLS of Vermont and New Hampshire one the Green Mountain Railroad from Bellows Falls, VT to Rutland, VT and the other Brattleboro, VT to White River Jct., VT which also has Bellows Falls in it, I tried deleting some baseboards and merging the Brattleboro to White River Jct. to the Green Mountain route and the merge point was at a point west of Bellows Falls on the Green Mountain, and on one of the routes the coordinates are off as the route is shifted a bit compared to the other one thus doesn't line up exactly. Like one of the mountains has a vertical cliff because the positioning is off on one of the routes. The only solution I see to this is to do a merge north of Bellows Falls and south of Bellows Falls and keep the Bellows Falls on the Green Mountain route rather than the Brattleboro to White River Jct. route or do a merge west of Bellows Falls with an extra strip of baseboards that don't have tiger lines on the Brattleboro route to mask the rail line being off.

 

[JCitron]

I found that out some time ago, I've been using Trainz as long as you about. I switched to Trainz from MSTS. HOG and TransDEM routes sometimes don't play nice together. Even HOG routes sometimes don't play nice together. What I mean by that is I have two HOG routes from the DLS of Vermont and New Hampshire one the Green Mountain Railroad from Bellows Falls, VT to Rutland, VT and the other Brattleboro, VT to White River Jct., VT which also has Bellows Falls in it, I tried deleting some baseboards and merging the Brattleboro to White River Jct. to the Green Mountain route and the merge point was at a point west of Bellows Falls on the Green Mountain, and on one of the routes the coordinates are off as the route is shifted a bit compared to the other one thus doesn't line up exactly. Like one of the mountains has a vertical cliff because the positioning is off on one of the routes. The only solution I see to this is to do a merge north of Bellows Falls and south of Bellows Falls and keep the Bellows Falls on the Green Mountain route rather than the Brattleboro to White River Jct. route or do a merge west of Bellows Falls with an extra strip of baseboards that don't have tiger lines on the Brattleboro route to mask the rail line being off.

You followed the same route, pun intended, as I did to Trainz. I too used MSTS first then arrived in Trainz and haven't left. I ran into the same issues with HOG routes. I have driven through the area where you are looking to build the route. The terrain is beautiful and will make a nice route to operate someday.

To go a bit off topic, the Vermont Rail System is in the process of restoring the old Mountain Division between St. Johnsbury, VT and Whitehall, NH. The STJ to Gilman, VT will be last, they are currently working on the Whitehall to Gilman portion. They also currently run freight down to Fabian to serve customers in that area. The company that runs the Conway Scenic runs some freight in that area and they are in the process of acquiring the Portland to Intervale portion of the line. If that comes to fruition along with VRS completing the top half to Gilman from STJ, the route will be fully opened again. In addition to this line, they're looking at reopening the line up to Berlin from the junction with the Mountain Division. The tracks have been lifted with the ROW devoid of tracks because it's now a recreational trail. Whenever, or if ever that occurs, will be a great restoration project up in the White Mountains.