Junction Problem

[JonnyOnTheSpot]

Hi all just wondering if any of you have place a junction, set a route and then you are told that the junction is missing handle, I have over 300+ junction and I'm having trouble with only 1 I've deleted it, replaced it even layed new track and new route. when the consist approaches it stops then says something like "can not plot route... junction is missing handle" so what do i do. I have siganals all along the track and the loco goes through at least 30 junctions before this one with no prpblems.


What now?

 

[JCitron]

Hi all just wondering if any of you have place a junction, set a route and then you are told that the junction is missing handle, I have over 300+ junction and I'm having trouble with only 1 I've deleted it, replaced it even layed new track and new route. when the consist approaches it stops then says something like "can not plot route... junction is missing handle" so what do i do. I have siganals all along the track and the loco goes through at least 30 junctions before this one with no prpblems.


What now?

Hi John,

Searching out a missing handle is a pain in the backside. There are two ways to do it. One is to go along the line slowly in Surveyor while you stare at the route trying to find the missing junction lever. This is all well and good if there aren't a ton of junctions and a lot of sidings and branchlines. The problems with this are that for one you lose focus and zone out as you move along. I've looked over the same area several times only to miss what I was looking for because everything looked okay.

The other way is to have a "ride" with the driver that brings up the error. When he or she stops driving because the junction is missing somewhere, drive the train yourself. You'll find the missing junction right off when your train derails, or maybe if you're lucky just before that because you'll see it.

These are the only ways I can think of finding missing levers. I hope this helps.

John

 

[itareus]

Hi JonnyOTS,

Just following up on what JCitron posted (which is good advice). It could be that the problem lies with the junction just beyond the one where the train stops that is causing the problem. Try relaying (all the 3 bits) of connected track at that one and see if this helps.

The above idea depends a bit on how you are setting the route and instructing the driver to get there. Maybe you could post a bit more detail on that?

Edit: Just another thought, have you tried looking in the maps (MiniMap or Map in Quick Drive from Surveyor) to see if any junctions are missing the red/green direction arrows - these are the Levers (Handles)?

Chris

 

[JonnyOnTheSpot]

Hi JonnyOTS,

Just following up on what JCitron posted (which is good advice). It could be that the problem lies with the junction just beyond the one where the train stops that is causing the problem. Try relaying (all the 3 bits) of connected track at that one and see if this helps.

The above idea depends a bit on how you are setting the route and instructing the driver to get there. Maybe you could post a bit more detail on that?

Edit: Just another thought, have you tried looking in the maps (MiniMap or Map in Quick Drive from Surveyor) to see if any junctions are missing the red/green direction arrows - these are the Levers (Handles)?

Chris

Thankx for the tip. i've located the leaver in question including the one beyond it and both appear to be fine. when i drive myself beyond the first point and before the next i derail.

the run is set up as a coal train it runs from 1 location to the coal mine > loads > runs to next location via a loop and it's on that loop that the problem lies.

Previously I had this single track loop connected to a double track and then branch off again. What i have done now is connencted the single track to another single track and i still get the same problem, funny thing is that it is the only switch out of all that has the problem. (I went overboard with this one)

 

[itareus]

......when i drive myself beyond the first point and before the next i derail.

You probably have an "invisible" junction (without lever) and not properly made at the point where you derail - do you see a spline point (circle) about there? - Try relaying this whole stretch of track.

Chris

 

[JCitron]

Thankx for the tip. i've located the leaver in question including the one beyond it and both appear to be fine. when i drive myself beyond the first point and before the next i derail.

the run is set up as a coal train it runs from 1 location to the coal mine > loads > runs to next location via a loop and it's on that loop that the problem lies.

Previously I had this single track loop connected to a double track and then branch off again. What i have done now is connencted the single track to another single track and i still get the same problem, funny thing is that it is the only switch out of all that has the problem. (I went overboard with this one)

I was wondering if you placed one of your junctions too close to the fixed track that is connected to the power plant, or made the junction start right at the fixed track? I did that once and had a slew of problems.

The other thought too is in the placement and movement of the junction levers, you may have inadvertently put two down. When you do this, you'll get a red-arrow junction instead of a red and green one. What you need to do is to delete the all read junction.

There is one other possibility. When adding and deleting track spline points, the levers and other track objects can "jump" out of place. This too can cause the missing lever because the lever that is supposed to be associated with the junction is no longer there. It is now located somewhere else along the line at another spline connection.

John

 

[JonnyOnTheSpot]

Thanks itareus

Well i thought of that and i'm not sure what it was but you where right there was something in the way. however, it looked like a length of track and very short at that (only 1 sleeper long) so did what you said relayed the track. (no derailments now) but now if it runs forward i still get the message, but, if i run it manually or auto drive in reverse it's fine and will use that junction.


mmm I also used another train, same problem

 

[JonnyOnTheSpot]

I was wondering if you placed one of your junctions too close to the fixed track that is connected to the power plant, or made the junction start right at the fixed track? I did that once and had a slew of problems.

The other thought too is in the placement and movement of the junction levers, you may have inadvertently put two down. When you do this, you'll get a red-arrow junction instead of a red and green one. What you need to do is to delete the all read junction.

There is one other possibility. When adding and deleting track spline points, the levers and other track objects can "jump" out of place. This too can cause the missing lever because the lever that is supposed to be associated with the junction is no longer there. It is now located somewhere else along the line at another spline connection.

John

So how can i fix it or should i just delete that piece of track all together and figure out another route on the existing track. I currently have 6 locos running at once and the're running fine no hiccups (now thanks to track markers)

Sorry guys i should have told you I only bought this trainz 2009 about 4 months ago and i've spent about 60 hours on this one session.

So anyway the juncion itself has the red and green arrows like you've said and when i place it the last time i zoomed in real close to try to avoid it jumping.

or maybe should I place the junction from the existing track and then link that to the new track.



Thanks guys for your help I've now found and fixed the problem after deleteing all the track on 3 lines. I don't know what it was but it wasn't easy to delete.

Thanks again for all your help.

itareus and JCitron

Have lots more questions about other things.

 

[JCitron]

So how can i fix it or should i just delete that piece of track all together and figure out another route on the existing track. I currently have 6 locos running at once and the're running fine no hiccups (now thanks to track markers)

Sorry guys i should have told you I only bought this trainz 2009 about 4 months ago and i've spent about 60 hours on this one session.

So anyway the juncion itself has the red and green arrows like you've said and when i place it the last time i zoomed in real close to try to avoid it jumping.

or maybe should I place the junction from the existing track and then link that to the new track.




Thanks guys for your help I've now found and fixed the problem after deleteing all the track on 3 lines. I don't know what it was but it wasn't easy to delete.

Thanks again for all your help.

itareus and JCitron

Have lots more questions about other things.

John,

I would delete that segemt of the track and relay it. This will ensure that the problem is resolved once and for all. I don't know what version of TS2009 you have, but there were some bugs that occurred when placing junctions and adding track. For some reason the spline point would disappear from the end of the track so that the track couldn't be connected. This also happened too and the junctions had problems as well. I think the latest SP, build 40040?, will resolve this problem.

Putting in over 60 hours? Nah! You're still a Trainz youngin! Be prepared to become totally immersed deeper than you are already.

Keep the questions coming. This is what makes the program and the forums so much fun.

John