Jointed Rail Signals.. Help!

[Inn]

I think they are the best signals to use but I don't understand them at all.. Why are sometimes the lights blinking for no reason? It should be given me clear..

Also, I don't understand the concept in which when I pass by certion signals.. it changes the speed limits.. like what! It should only change if I'm using the switch!! Please Help me, I posted on JR website and no responce for a while..

 

[Dermmy]

Forum king? Ok then....

The signals don't blink for 'no reason' if they are not giving the aspect you expected there IS a reason.

Signals don't 'change speed limits'. A train slows to half speed after passing a 'caution' signal or returns to full speed after passing a clear, but this is not an issue with the signals.

For more help though we really need a screenshot or two and/or a more detailed explanation of the issues...

 

[Inn]

Dermmy, Your actually 50% wrong lol..

#1, Don't read too much into the signature.. as it's just a signature...

#2, I'm given Limited Clear a lot (When it should be just a CLEAR signal) - There no switch point or anything..

Second, When you go to Medium Clear (at least on my Route) - I have a 70MPH speed restriction (THE MINUTE I pass that signal.. It drops down to 45MPH) - Why? I'm not sure.. However, for Medium clear.. Thats how fast I believe you would go over a Medium Clear switch..

#3 - For Screenshots, I can't provide you any because I'm not sure how to do it on my MAC (Boot Camp) so if you could help me with that..

 

[JohnnyC1]

What's the distance between signals
What's the distance signal's aspect
What's the type of signal, Absolute or Permissive

http://www.railroadsignals.us/basics/basics4.htm

There are a number of "speed" terms associated with signals and the rules. Some speed terms are associated with just signals, and others are used in instructions by the dispatcher
The following terms are taken from a Southern Rwy rulebook and a Conrail signal card. There may be additional differences on other railroads.
1) Normal Speed: The maximum authorized speed.
2) Limited Speed: A speed not exceeding 45 miles per hour. Some railroads, such as the New York Central (aka: CR) specified 45MPH for passenger trains, and 40MPH for freight trains.
3) Medium Speed: A speed not exceeding 30 miles per hour.
4) Reduced Speed: Proceed prepared to comply with flagging signals and stop short of train or obstruction.
5) Restricted Speed: Proceed prepared to stop short of another train, obstruction, or switch not properly lined and look out for broken rail, but at a speed not exceeding 15 miles per hour. Conrail specified 20MPH outside interlocking limits, and 15MPH inside.
6) Slow Speed: A speed not exceeding 15 miles per hour. Some railroads have pushed this up to 20MPH, such as CSX.
7) Yard Speed: A speed that will permit stopping within one-half the range of vision.


John

 

[Inn]

Awesome, buty I'm given Medium Clear a lot... how do I change it to make it a clear signal? I want all CLEAR SIGNALS =[

 

[JohnnyC1]

Decrease the distance between signals.

John

 

[Inn]

Why should that affect it thou? Makes no sense! Ugh.. lol

Should I get rid of the crossovers too?

 

[norfolksouthern37]

no you should use the correct diverging signals or set them in the signal properties. just like the other trainz signals you use a LD signal for a Left Diverging turnout. RD for a Right Diverging turnout. there really isnt much else to explain here. otherwise these 2 are the exact same, the only thing different about them are the default paths that are set, but using the properties dialog you can set them any way you like.

 

[Inn]

Can you please Explain to me in English and stuff lol what your talking about? I just want CLEAR signals on my Routes.. Expect on the Crossovers.. If I'm using the Crossing aka the X Style (So my Crossovers look like an X) - A train should take it at FULL Speed if there not using the crossover.. However, If there using the crossover it should be a Limited clear I believe? I just want CLEAR signals and I put the Signals WAY closer and it's not helping out - Nofolk please help dude

 

[William0d0]

If you have double crossovers (X style) it will cause diverging signals to not function as they should. It's a Trainz thing I guess.

 

[Inn]

How should I do the crossovers so I can have a CLEAR signal.. and which Signal should I use - Be Very Clear?

 

[William0d0]

I never figured out how to get a double crossover to work right so I don't use them.

I've tried adding invisible signals but then that still leaves a problem with the diamond crossing in the middle (trains go thru each other). An ATLS solution could fix that I guess. It all just hurt my head too much.

Sorry, it's not an answer you would like.

 

[JohnnyC1]

For diamond crossovers use the "Trigger Multiple Signal Rule" <kuid2:116387:26:1> it will control the signals so that you will not have incidents at the crossovers.

John

 

[overkill650]

hey Inn. you should research on how train operate in real life. if you do 70MPH over a switch, even if the switch veres of to the right and you're going straight, the train could jump off the tracks, or have a problem with the cars. try to remember...although trainz cant have dipped or wavvy track, track in real life is relatively bent...as in if you do 70 with any train it can easily shoot off the rails.

I know everybody's first thought is "a train is really heavy. it cant derail" but thats just it. theres so much weight that it can.

please watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g11qWro1LzQ

now that locomotive is going about what? 5MPH? maybe even like 3MPH?

imagine doing even 15MPH! now imagine hitting a switch at 70. not as bad as a dip, but ALOT faster.

P.S. I donno about you being the forum king...I'm almost caught up to you, and I dont even have a signature yet. lol

 

[norfolksouthern37]

like this

these are the typical ways to use the signals. use the question mark properties button in surveyor to set the normal paths. turnout/junction direction is always determined from the side where the tracks come together, regardless of what direction you or the signal are facing them.

 

[backyard]

Speaking of the devil...

Thanks Justin, that model board was what I needed.

 

[William0d0]

like this

these are the typical ways to use the signals. use the question mark properties button in surveyor to set the normal paths. turnout/junction direction is always determined from the side where the tracks come together, regardless of what direction you or the signal are facing them.

Wow, that certainly makes things easy to understand.

 

[Inn]

I've had my signals in the wrong spot lol all these years, - I had them on the opposite side of the tracks.. Next Question When should we use 08?

 

[norfolksouthern37]

I've had my signals in the wrong spot lol all these years, - I had them on the opposite side of the tracks.. Next Question When should we use 08?

08s are used where you want to show more aspects that the 2 heads allow, also they are default to the left i think, so you have to set them up on each use.

also it doesnt matter what side of the tracks the signals are on. the diagram was not meant to tell you what side of the tracks to place them on. the signals can be placed on either side, or over them if you have a gantry...