Is this all a mess or no?

Guy's I'm sorry my post come across a bit heavy, but many of you I've come to know over the years and you'll realise that it's not you I'm having a go at.

As John259 stated, if you're not one of the abusers, you wouldn't be penalised.

In another thread yesterday at least one person admitted that he downloads everything, and then I guess he then decides what he will keep and what he won't. In the meantime, people on slightly slower connections or ones that are further away, can't get a foot in.

Surely 300 meg a day is reasonable? That's about 110 gig a year if my sums are right. That's not bad for $26 bucks. The thing is, it makes you think before you act, instead of acting before you think which is what many on the DLS do.
 
How does that work when you put in a restriction?
Free - very slow, very limited amount per day (as now).
FCT, normal usage level - full available speed.
FCT, abnormally high usage level over a period - warning, then impose a restriction on speed or amount.

It would be very similar to the fair bandwidth usage restrictions imposed on so-called "unlimited" accounts offered by many ISP's.

John
 
You don't need to invest thousands, hire programmers or consultants, argue over whether MicrosoftSQL or MySQL is cheaper or better. The Inferstructure is already there, it's bulletproof, and it's been tested by almost 14,000 people almost 300,000 times. All it needs is input from the Asset Creators themselves. So why not invest all your ceasless energies and profound knowledge into getting them motivated istead of trying to come up with all these hairbrain schemes, which will all end up being totally ignored like the existing Independent Asset Register above.
I appreciate your frustrations, but hadn't TPR already tried this with the Download Depot and got pretty much the same result?
 
Auran must accept some share of the blame for continually changing the category tags from one release to the next and for not implementing a quality control mechanism, early in Trainz history, to ensure creators comply with the classification system. Creators too are at fault for not being very rigorous or consistent in the way they label their goods. Buildings categorised as 'vehicles' will defeat any attempt to sort and find things easily!

Yes.. What he said!

Excellent employment oppurtunities for Goal Post Hole diggers at Auran. Allways requiring shifting....

They had plans for such things, but never stuck to them.

Oh the 'Fury' of it all..
 
Hi amigacooke. I'm not sure if I can answer that. TPR seem to have a very strong userbase and from what the people I've spoken to tell me, they are very highly regarded. From what I can gather, TRP actually host routes that may have struck a problem with the DLS. One of my subscribers had no luck with the DLS, but he was finally accepted by TPR.

I have no desire to compete with the DLS or TPR, in fact my subscriber still promotes his route through the Directory and gets about 150 visitors a month to his TPR download site.

My argument is this: If you go to all the trouble of sharing an Asset or a Route, you should at least make an effort to promote it, especially when it doesn't cost you a cent. Dumping an item on the DLS and expecting people to find it, is like opening an icecream parlour and building a brick wall around it so that no one could see it.

I'll bet you 50 bucks, that if Auran said "We'll pay you 1 cent for every time your Asset is downloaded", people would be pleading with me to promote their products in the Directory. And I kid you not!
 
The first thing Auran must do to gain control of the DLS, is impose a daily download limit on all FCT holders to stop those hogs and give other FcT holders a fair and equal go.

Absolutely not. I pay for a FCT without limits - if you start limiting what paid customers can do, they will stop paying and Auran lose income.

I don't understand how paying for a FCT makes one a "hog" when in reality it means you are subsidising the non-payers. A more logical approach would be to make the DLS FCT-only.

I proposed a super simple and immediate solution to the problem you originaly discussing here for the umpteenth time.. That was to create a completely independent Asset Registry linked to each asset on the DLS.

Which creates a fragmented and confusing DLS, IMO. And such a site being run/owned by a single person brings it's own problems. What happens when you can't pay your hosting bill, or the host goes bust, or you get fed up and leave? All that work disappears overnight.

So why not invest all your ceasless energies and profound knowledge into getting them motivated istead of trying to come up with all these hairbrain schemes, which will all end up being totally ignored like the existing Independent Asset Register above.

Frankly it's the job of the asset creators to do that, not my job to chase them.

The TRD has taken the first steps to becoming a Community project. It's now run by four people instead of one. That's only the start, but the way you lot are going, it may well soon be the end. Over the past ten months I've tried to motivate you in every way I know how. Too many of you are couch potatoes, full of great ideas and solutions as long as suckers like me put them into action and cop the blame if we screw up.

That's enormously unfair, IMO. You weren't forced into creating your website, and the "couch potatoes" bit is just insulting. You imply that people dream up ideas and expect you to implement them, which is patently not the case. If you want to run the site, fine, but don't criticise everyone else if it doesn't meet your expectations.

if it wasn't for the support of my three volunteers and some other important projects happening out there, I could easily pull the TRD from under your noses tomorrow and hardly anyone would even notice. It could be, and should be the largest and best Asset register and resource out there, but by leaving it up to you guys, it would struggle to survive, just like many other great Trainz projects you've turned your backs on. Wouldn't that be great! You could then start a thread entitled: "There, there, I told you so.", and fill the next ten pages with arguments over who predicted the TRD's demise first!

That's why the new team will be focusing on stuff that only involves positive and motivated people and not a mob of armchair gunnas. Many of the features of the TRD are about to be stripped and the almost totally failed Asset section you're waffling on about here as if it never existed, could be, and probably will be the first to go.

I've noticed that you often get angry and abusive when trying to "motivate" people to view and use your site, which puts me off. You've taken on the project yourself, and now you get angry because we're not doing enough to support it.

I go there, and if I see something useful I download it, but.... "mob of armchair gunnas?" Thanks. I'll be sure to visit again soon.
 
Riding The Carousel!

And so we see after all there is something already out there [not theory and pretty much what we discussed and worked towards in this conversation - not a DLS replacement, something that is publicly available, something people can update, something low cost, something that can be updated, and so on] (would have been nice to know earlier in the conversation) - ergo, things can be done when people take action!

If this solution can be made to bring the benefits down to the local desktop and or help people be smarter about DLS usage I think that would be great. I'll explore it myself, maybe it already does all that.

I wish more people would help, and I think people have to understand both ways that people have lives and so we make choices with regards to hobbies. I choose now not to let any hobby absorb me anymore and to focus on offering what knowledge I have here. [ I understand thats a couch potato role in many peoples minds and others might see it as having spent too much time some a silly hobby] I ask those that sit on either side of the fence be more tolerant and just keep positive and help as much as you feel right for your life.

All this is a strange mix of a commercial product that is under supported and people like the Johns here trying to augment and build on the current realities. Thats a reality in itself and just how things go and in many cases be it through Auran or people here its a lot more than many have around other products.

Mr Knight, not sure where I got sideways with you, my apologies for whatever it is I have said and done to make you mad and also for getting defensive in the end. No, I am not a Project Manager although I have done that before in my life along with many other roles.

Like the kind Johns, I have put myself forward in other hobbies and helped be a part of some really great things and thats in part what my experience is, stay positive, talk out the problems and then put a plan together.

I believe we do need to be more tolerant of each other though, there seems to be a little bit of don't try to talk about what you do not know here and my experience is that exclusion never amounts to much but an exclusive group of people. My advice if you want help with something is to scoop the new people in, offer them roles and make them a part of the solution rather than the problem. Some folks BTW have done this and privately solicited my help and thats been very positive and kudos to them for their leadership.

I am sure though for many veterans the whole things is beyond frustrating and that this way is hard to support any more! Its the irony of things that helping others is often very painful!

I think we all should be thankful though for those providing things we find of value and that those providing things manage expectations about people using and or finding them of value. There is a fine line there to be reconciled between expectations and reality. If you help someone in a way they don't expect, don't understand or don't want, its wrong in my opinion to expect them to be grateful. I think its better for those helping to expect nothing in return, not even gratitude and if one operates from that perspective, its much harder to be bothered.

I'd advise that people build on the things that have resulted from the thread, help those that are doing the heavy lifting if your life balance equation allows and we just move forward.

I guess my role in this was to surface the issue for the 50th time and confirm that what has already been built and appears despite the lack of support to be headed in the right direction. Thats good enough for this man, I do not have to accomplish more in this.

Yup, this really is the last post from me on this subject, regardless of who says what, so if you want to slam me, go right on ahead, you get free shots all you want.

If those doing the work want any ideas or advice, let me know, I do have a little bandwidth I would allocate.

My apologies to anyone offended again, and peace and happy holidays to all!

E
 
Yes.. What he said!

Excellent employment oppurtunities for Goal Post Hole diggers at Auran. Allways requiring shifting....

They had plans for such things, but never stuck to them.

Oh the 'Fury' of it all..

Well Bowweavel, you can always put your hand up and volunteer. With a staff of around four, Auran is probably a bit busy to worry about such issues right now. On the other side of your computer screen, there's a very small team of volunteers working their butt's off to make Trainz much more enjoyable for you. They're not hard to find, you just need to make an effort to locate them and offer your services and not your wisdom. It's a bit like the Freemason's Lodge. They'll never ask for your help, you will have to offer it.

If I started to list the projects currently under way, and those on the drawing board, you'd probably call me a liar, but there's the them's that do and the them's that don't!

Unfortunately, the them's that don't stand out like neon signs.
 
JohnK
As I understand it, your assets page only links to the asset on the DLS. You may provide a good screenshot and description, but providing a link to the asset on the DLS doesn't repair any problems with the asset. Are you saying that you've performed all of the repairs that this thread has been talking about?
Mike
 
Unfortunately, the them's that don't stand out like neon signs.

Again you slight the people that do not - or are unable to - do what you think they should. Working for the community is a voluntary effort, I believe, and not a requirement for owning Trainz. Earning a wage for my family comes first, otherwise I'd be glad to help.

Hats off to you for doing what you do, but I wish you would stop criticising those that do not join in.
 
Knight42 I actually managed to find a sentence in your post worth responding to:

Snippet: Which creates a fragmented and confusing DLS, IMO. And such a site being run/owned by a single person brings it's own problems. What happens when you can't pay your hosting bill, or the host goes bust, or you get fed up and leave? All that work disappears overnight.

It just goes to show that my comment: "For those of you who don't read so good" wasn't wasted.

If I died tomorrow or my server went kaput tonight, all that lost work would only put more strain back on the DLS. Other than that life would go on as normal.

Novastorm, this thread only came up on my computer today, two days after it was started. I read the forums at least twice daily, but the thread wasn't there for me to read until I made my first post an hour ago. That happens regularly.
 
Knight42, I'm not criticising those who don't join in because not everyone should be on the committee., I'm criticising the criticisers. The couch potatoes amongst us, the ones with a lot to say, but offer little else.
 
Free - very slow, very limited amount per day (as now).
FCT, normal usage level - full available speed.
FCT, abnormally high usage level over a period - warning, then impose a restriction on speed or amount.

It would be very similar to the fair bandwidth usage restrictions imposed on so-called "unlimited" accounts offered by many ISP's.

John

I understand now. You propose a change of the "definition" of the current FCT.
 
I didn't originate the proposal, but I agree with it and am therefore trying to explain how I think it might work. I haven't studied the small print - perhaps there's already a fair usage clause?

John
 
I understand now. You propose a change of the "definition" of the current FCT.

Nobody is trying to change anything, I made the suggestion and John259 tends to support it. Even ISP's will come down on you like a ton of bricks if you gloat the system, which is there for all to share. There are people with high speed connections out there that download stuff 24/7 while others struggle to get anything at all. FCT or not. The DLS is abused by many. That's the beginning and end of it.
 
My argument is this: If you go to all the trouble of sharing an Asset or a Route, you should at least make an effort to promote it, especially when it doesn't cost you a cent. Dumping an item on the DLS and expecting people to find it, is like opening an icecream parlour and building a brick wall around it so that no one could see it.

I'll bet you 50 bucks, that if Auran said "We'll pay you 1 cent for every time your Asset is downloaded", people would be pleading with me to promote their products in the Directory. And I kid you not!
My one asset, not very prolific I know, has according to my Auran profile been downloaded 76784 times. My only promotion was a thread on this forum. Perhaps people think that the number of extra prospective downloads off-DLS is just not worth the extra effort.

I would suggest that most creators enjoy the creation process and see the uploading and promotion as an inconvenient extra. However, I agree that if money was involved there would be more interest, but it isn't so there isn't. :)
 
All far too complicated now for retired Trainz Mariners. I wonder what happened to the KISS principle. ...... If the rules and configurations alter with each new version what was error free may become with error. I can' t see how you can keep altering a program then expect all the content to read as error free if the programming makes it read with error. What is perhaps an error to one is perfect to another as simply depends on which versions you bought. I have no idea what the answer is and far as I can see there isn't one. Not idle talk by the way but based on my own content making experience in the past with Trainz as started with version, one many moons ago when life was simple and boats amd ships sailed on the moving seas of Trainz. B
 
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