Is there good reason to get TS12 if I have TS10?

I doubt it. AFAIK those other editions never materialized. Just don't buy the Steam version and you should be good.

TS12 contains considerably less built-in content and routes than TS2010 though.

Whoops. That was the route that I was planning on going since I can save myself $5.00 right now.

Is there a specific reason that I should not buy TS12 though Steam? I've got quite a few games from steam and never had any issues with any of them thus far.
 
The DRM for one. It can cause lots of problems, as a lot of folks can attest. Plus - and this is also mostly the fault of the DRM - patches for Steam versions tend to be delayed if they are made available at all. In the case of TS2010, the multiplayer patch was never made available to Steam users. I'm not sure the SP3 hotfix was either.
 
Whoops. That was the route that I was planning on going since I can save myself $5.00 right now.

Is there a specific reason that I should not buy TS12 though Steam? I've got quite a few games from steam and never had any issues with any of them thus far.

Any patching may be slow or nonexistent, in other words like with 2010 there were quite a few steam customers complaining that the latest patches that Auran/N3V was offering wouldn't go on their versions of Trainz.

It was explained by Auran/N3V that they are two different versions as far as patching is concerned. Another concern is if steam decides not to carry the product any longer, they can shut you down remotely where that is not an issue if you get the digital download from Auran/N3V.

Just some things to consider. They've already had two or three patches for TS 12 now, whether or not those will be available on the steam version I don't know. Because Auran/N3V has to create the patch and then give it to steam, then steam can drag their feet for months before implementing it. Because at that point it's out of Auran/N3V hands.
 
Whoops. That was the route that I was planning on going since I can save myself $5.00 right now.

Is there a specific reason that I should not buy TS12 though Steam? I've got quite a few games from steam and never had any issues with any of them thus far.


take them, for every to get a patch out,,,,,,,, just buy from the auran store
you better to wait three weeks then to d/led it
 
take them, for every to get a patch out,,,,,,,, just buy from the auran store
you better to wait three weeks then to d/led it



I have a tough time spending $55.00 on a game (sim), but I have been reading the steam forums and seeing people tell others they are crazy to buy it on steam with what happened with no patches on TS10, which surprises me greatly, steam may be slow, but as far as I've been involved they've never just outright not put out a patch when it's given to them by the developers.

Even more surprising to me is that I've seen quite a few developers that take pity on their customers when steam is too slow, they put the patch on their own website and let people download it from there until steam can get it online. So it baffles me that Auran or whomever develops it, did not help out their consumers and make the steam patch (that I gather they gave to steam?) available to steam users either directly through the auran website and or a 3rd party to foot the bandwidth bills if that were an issue.

I'll have to check into it further on steam since they don't list any outside DRM for TS12 and I'm fine with Steams own internal DRM.
 
make the steam patch
It is impossible, because trainz patch makes some minor changes in files data.ja , base.ja etc. And i didn't hear that steam can do this (if it completely replaces files, patches for trainz might be the same size the game is).
 
It is impossible, because trainz patch makes some minor changes in files data.ja , base.ja etc. And i didn't hear that steam can do this (if it completely replaces files, patches for trainz might be the same size the game is).

Which steam does do. Example, The Witcher 2, has had two 9GB patches since it was released last week or the week before. Impulse has done the same as well with a couple games that I've had to download the entire game all over again (16GB) to get it patched. So the Digi Dist's are doing it.

So it's very odd.
 
If I had the option, I'd return 2012 and buy 2010 or another program. 2012 has been completely frustrating to me - I spend more time trying to get things to work than actually "playing the game".
So my answer is not a chance.
 
If I had the option, I'd return 2012 and buy 2010 or another program. 2012 has been completely frustrating to me - I spend more time trying to get things to work than actually "playing the game".
So my answer is not a chance.

You see now that's amazing, because right off the bat everything built-in to TS12 was completely error-free, anything that had been brought into native mode for 2010 was completely error-free.

If you're spending more time trying to get things to work than actually playing the game, it's because you're importing content that has to be made compatible. While you may not want to hear this that's not TS12s fault because it didn't import the content knowing it wasn't compatible, you did…
 
Horsefeathers, there's no way to know whether something is compatible or not before you install it.

raybreedveld, going from TS12 to TS2010 wouldn't help much anyway, the error checker in TS2010 is only slightly less pedantic. I said when I first saw this lunacy that they should have designed and built in an automatic error FIXER first, THEN add the error checker. They still haven't made anything to fix errors, we rely on PEVsoft tools for that.

http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showthread.php?t=59136

http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showthread.php?t=61960

http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showthread.php?t=61813
 
Horsefeathers, there's no way to know whether something is compatible or not before you install it.

raybreedveld, going from TS12 to TS2010 wouldn't help much anyway, the error checker in TS2010 is only slightly less pedantic. I said when I first saw this lunacy that they should have designed and built in an automatic error FIXER first, THEN add the error checker. They still haven't made anything to fix errors, we rely on PEVsoft tools for that.

http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showthread.php?t=59136

http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showthread.php?t=61960

http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showthread.php?t=61813

But you know something? The missing dependencies and other errors have been around since 2006. That's not something new with TS12.

And there is a simple way to determine whether or not it's compatible. If it shows up faulty or with missing dependencies, if you really really really want it, fix it and find or replace the dependencies, if not right-click and select delete. That's been the standard option since 2006 as well.

But if he is spending more time fixing than playing that is because he is putting content into that simulation that's faulty or missing dependencies. Because it didn't come that way, and if you use the DLS webpage instead of content manager and filter out everything by version you should be fine.

That's another option that's been around since 2006:hehe:

And I just checked and I thought I was correct, in CMP you can under the all tab also select minimum build version. Then it will show you things on the DLS that are that build version or higher. So yes you can check whether something is liable to be faulty before you download it, you can't avoid missing dependencies unless maybe you might also add missing dependencies under the minimum build version and it might filter out I've never checked that so I can't say with utmost certainty.
 
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Filter out everything by version, there are a grand total of 61 assets on the DLS for TS12.

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Well you know that 3.3 and up should be pretty safe, actually 2.9 and up should be now and there is over 18k if you use that ver.

But you just want to fight and I can understand you are not happy and if you choose to continue to post negative comments about ts12 others and I will continue to set the record straight.

If you look hard enough you can find negative aspects of anything, but going out of your way to find them and then making them out to be more than they actually are shows a deeper resentment that you obviously struggle with.

Auran/N3V only stated that the user would have access to all the assets on the DLS. They never stated they would all work as a matter of fact they were clear that TS 12 had no compatibility mode and they stated the reasons why. Now if you're unhappy that there's only 61 assets that are version 3.5, I guess you need to create some.
 
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Been my experience that people who attempt amateur psychoanalysis usually need therapy themselves. "Should be safe" but not likely - my current route under development in TS2010 got tested today in TS12 - 32 unknown KUIDs, all of which are built into TS2010, all available on the DLS but CM 3.5 don't have a clue what they are. If I uploaded the route tonight it would be build 3.3, would work perfectly in TS2010, would have 32 missing dependencies in TS12. Minimum build 3.3 is no guarantee that it will work.
 
Been my experience that people who attempt amateur psychoanalysis usually need therapy themselves. "Should be safe" but not likely - my current route under development in TS2010 got tested today in TS12 - 32 unknown KUIDs, all of which are built into TS2010, all available on the DLS but CM 3.5 don't have a clue what they are. If I uploaded the route tonight it would be build 3.3, would work perfectly in TS2010, would have 32 missing dependencies in TS12. Minimum build 3.3 is no guarantee that it will work.

Are the kuid's in your route the same as the updated versions on the DLS? The reason I ask is you are aware that when content is "built-in" that it doesn't get screened for error checking or even technically put in the database. It's contained in the JA file which is a whole separate entity. To my knowledge anyway they are trying to get all the built-in assets updated and put on the DLS. Which can be quite a daunting process actually and if you're only missing 32 you should actually consider yourself lucky. I suspect that they are there but they have updated kuids

The bottom line is you're mad, I can get it. Not everybody is ever going to be happy. But when you come out of the box and say things like there is no way to determine whether something is faulty or not before you download it, and I easily show you two ways to do it, then you go on complain about the lack of this or lack of that. It's clear you're never going to be satisfied.

Why don't you just delete it, stick with 2010 which you are apparently happy with, and move on with life instead of hanging around on the forums spreading misinformation.

That's going to quickly get you the reputation of being an anti-Auran/N3V troll. It may be too late for that with some people. Because no amount of complaining is going to make Auran/N3V change their minds and implement compatibility mode for example,or increase the shadow polys, or get rid of speedtreez or backtrack on anything they have implemented in TS12. It's just not gonna happen.

If you actually turned your talent to trying to help people adapt to the new version and get more copies sold, then the Trainz franchise will probably go on for another 10 years. But if you and all the other naysayers try to kill as much business as you can for Auran/N3V. Then we might have another bankruptcy and this time it might be final, then where were your precious route be? You'll have to go out and get your own web hosting to put it up.

Have you ever heard the old saying "cutting off your nose to spite your face?"

Because I'm not advocating glossing over glaring deficiencies, but picking gnat crap out of pepper, I can do the same thing with 2010 or 2009 or any of the TC's or 2006 or 2004 or UTC. None of them were perfect. But each one was better than what came before it.

I learned during the bankruptcy just how close it was to losing it all. Some people obviously just don't care but I am one who does. Some people just care about themselves, I take a more philosophical approach and actually care more about community sometimes than my own personal pleasure.

Do I like correcting misinformation? No I really don't. But every time it's put out there and I see it I'll try to correct it. Now obviously you seem to have some kind of problem with that, and I guess in the long run that's just your problem:hehe:
 
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Frankly I don't consider it nitpicking when 9 out of 10 things you download need some type of fixing, if it was nitpicking then they wouldn't be bothering with the DLS cleanup project. Which they're screwing up due to lack of supervision, try driving any Alco RS3 or RSD5 in cab mode and you'll find that the updated version of the engine spec left out all the code for cab mode.

"But when you come out of the box and say things like there is no way to determine whether something is faulty or not before you download it, and I easily show you two ways to do it"

Where? Minimum build number is no guarantee, in fact I uploaded quite a bit of 1.5 and 2.0 content that was tested in TS2010 native mode, so filtering out older builds means you miss stuff that does work and get newer stuff that does not. Let me repeat what I said - There is no way to determine whether something is faulty or not before you download it. You did not show me two ways to determine if it's faulty BEFORE DOWNLOADING AND INSTALLING TO CHECK IN CONTENT MANAGER, which is what the original complaint was.

I agree there are some clueless clowns who create their own problems, that's true of any game - all too many kids these days think a computer is Nintendo and you don't have to actually learn how to operate and maintain it properly, just install the game then scream bloody murder because they can't get it to work and don't even know how to open Windows Explorer to look at the files, what's a file?

This isn't the same thing, one of the selling features prominently advertised is access to thousands of free assets, most of which you need to download, install, test and delete because they don't work. TS12 even advertises "Backward compatible with TS2010 content.", which at the moment is a claim that it's falling dismally short of. Some of the problems people have ARE their own fault, but blaming the end user for every problem is not gonna increase sales.
 
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