Is there good reason to get TS12 if I have TS10?
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Well, about the only reason i could think of is if you wanted the Mojave route. TS12 doesn't really do anything TS10 doesn't, and on the downside, there's no compatibility mode. if you've fixed everything you have, then that's not a issue. I can't get TS12 'cause i've still got a lot of stuff to fix yet.
so basically, it boils down to wether you want the main route in the game or not. It's made by Jointed Rail, and the rolling stock is all made by them, so it really looks good. Secretly, I kinda want it:hehe:
so basically, it boils down to wether you want the main route in the game or not. It's made by Jointed Rail, and the rolling stock is all made by them, so it really looks good. Secretly, I kinda want it:hehe:
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Hee-hee, tempted to do a one word answer and leave it at that. What exactly is TS12? Essentially it's TS2010 service pack 6 with some new routes and trains. Depending on your system specs it MIGHT be worth it to you, on my five year old Dell XPS400 I can't run any of the TS12 built in routes at more than three frames per hour. :'(
If you got a Screamin' Demon Game Dominator 6000 Ultra system it's entirely possible you may get a lot of value from TS12.
Hee-hee, tempted to do a one word answer and leave it at that. What exactly is TS12? Essentially it's TS2010 service pack 6 with some new routes and trains. Depending on your system specs it MIGHT be worth it to you, on my five year old Dell XPS400 I can't run any of the TS12 built in routes at more than three frames per hour. :'(
If you got a Screamin' Demon Game Dominator 6000 Ultra system it's entirely possible you may get a lot of value from TS12.
Well, I'm glad I bought it. As much as anything else, I figured the price is a drop in the bucket compared to the cost of entertainment today. $50 might buy you two tickets to a minor league sporting event; it won't buy you one to a major league game. It'll get you four tickets to a movie and a large popcorn. It might get you a night out at Dave and Buster's. All of these are a few hours at most, versus the thousands of hours you probably will get out of Trainz. Plus, you'll be supporting the company and future product development - especially if you buy directly through Auran.
That said, TS12 does seem more stable i.e. less crash-prone than TS2010. The highly-controversial draw-distance limiter doesn't seem to be as bad as TS2010 although it was never much problem for me in TS2010 either. I do like the Russian routes that came with it; although you can download them yourself, it's nice having everything already there and working. I still do my route development in 10 - mainly to ensure compatibility - but Surveyor in 12 seems okay to me.
That said, TS12 does seem more stable i.e. less crash-prone than TS2010. The highly-controversial draw-distance limiter doesn't seem to be as bad as TS2010 although it was never much problem for me in TS2010 either. I do like the Russian routes that came with it; although you can download them yourself, it's nice having everything already there and working. I still do my route development in 10 - mainly to ensure compatibility - but Surveyor in 12 seems okay to me.
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This may not be a good reason for some people, but to me keeping up with the lastet is a good reason for me.
And it seems like I picked up 3-4 frames per second which isn't much but helps with some routes.
At least I know I've done all I can do without buying a new computer and I'm happy with that.
Dave
And it seems like I picked up 3-4 frames per second which isn't much but helps with some routes.
At least I know I've done all I can do without buying a new computer and I'm happy with that.
Dave
No. The only thing is that the new Speedtrees introduced with TS2010 *may* improve your system's performance since they are rendered by your video card, not by your CPU. Some people have said they make framerate worse. I'm not even going to go into the rest of the controversy so lets leave it at that. I guess it's one of those things you'd just have to try and see what happens.
My system specs:
AMD Quad Phenom II 965 Black Edition 3.4GHz (not overclocked)
8GB Ram
2 x Nvidia 460 GTX (1GB ddr5 on each graphics card I believe) (SLI)
Windows 7 64Bit
I list that as Sniper mentioned that he gets unplayable frame rates and my system isn't in the league by any means of a "'Screamin' Demon Game Dominator 6000 Ultra system" so I'd be really bummed out if I spent $50.00 only to find out that I get only 3 to 4 FPS.
AMD Quad Phenom II 965 Black Edition 3.4GHz (not overclocked)
8GB Ram
2 x Nvidia 460 GTX (1GB ddr5 on each graphics card I believe) (SLI)
Windows 7 64Bit
I list that as Sniper mentioned that he gets unplayable frame rates and my system isn't in the league by any means of a "'Screamin' Demon Game Dominator 6000 Ultra system" so I'd be really bummed out if I spent $50.00 only to find out that I get only 3 to 4 FPS.
I have a really, really low-end machine by today's standards and I get 60fps and thereabouts consistently.
Dual Core 3.20GHz E6700
Gigabyte EP43-UD3L
4Gb Hyper-X
XFX GT240
Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 1Tb
XP-32 (/3Gb aware) and XP-64 dual-boot.
You have a much better rig than I do, so I think it'll handle it.
Dual Core 3.20GHz E6700
Gigabyte EP43-UD3L
4Gb Hyper-X
XFX GT240
Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 1Tb
XP-32 (/3Gb aware) and XP-64 dual-boot.
You have a much better rig than I do, so I think it'll handle it.
I'm not really sure why I'm always the only one to ever mention this, but I think satellite view in surveyor is worth 50 bucks…
If you do a lot of route building and need to jump from one place to another fairly quickly it's indispensable.
I also like that there is no compatibility mode now I know that's going to put me at odds with a lot of people, but I think it's the right move, it's one that's well overdue, and it's one that will help move the franchise forward instead of remaining stagnant looking backwards.
If you do a lot of route building and need to jump from one place to another fairly quickly it's indispensable.
I also like that there is no compatibility mode now I know that's going to put me at odds with a lot of people, but I think it's the right move, it's one that's well overdue, and it's one that will help move the franchise forward instead of remaining stagnant looking backwards.
2010 is an improvement over 2009, and you could pick one up for half of what 12 is going to cost.
I have the "'Screamin' Demon Game Dominator 5500 Ultra system"and I'm saving up for the 6000, unless they've released the 6500 by then. (I understand it will have 6 GPUs...)
I have the "'Screamin' Demon Game Dominator 5500 Ultra system"and I'm saving up for the 6000, unless they've released the 6500 by then. (I understand it will have 6 GPUs...)
My three-year-old Dell studio XPS 435 runs it just fine. So that's not a "Screamin' Demon Game Dominator 6000 Ultra system" now have I made some enhancements to it? Yes I have but they are ones that would've been made anyway after three years.
I'm with a lot of people it actually runs better than 2010 did.
I have to take issue with this, you can get (I'm thinking somewhere in the neighborhood of 40% of the home games) 4 tickets, 4 soft drinks and 4 hot dogs and parking for 44 bucks at certain Los Angeles Angels games.
They have been voted the best entertainment value in sports for the last three or four years
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Well it's not going to take advantage of SLI that was a known given. But if you got 3 to 4 frames per second on that machine I would say you have a bottleneck someplace else and it's not the simulation
Actually looking at his system specs I WOULD recommend TS12 rather than TS2010, those specs SHOULD be able to handle the extra eye candy with ease. My specs for comparison;
Model: Dell DXP051
CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 2.80GHz (2 CPUs)
Memory: 2046MB RAM
Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 3 (2600.xpsp.080413-2111)
DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
Video: NVIDIA GeForce 8500 GT 512.0 MB
NVIDIA Driver Version: 6.14.0012.5721
Sound: SigmaTel Audio
sthda.sys Driver Version: 5.10.4823.0000
Hard Drive: Maxtor 6L160M0 147.8 GB
* McAfee Anti-virus
* McAfee Personal Firewall
I turn all the quality sliders down to "YUCK!!" and still do the herky-jerky. For minumum system specs TS2010 is better, anything reasonably current TS12 is probably the better choice. I'm not reasonably current. :'(
Model: Dell DXP051
CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 2.80GHz (2 CPUs)
Memory: 2046MB RAM
Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 3 (2600.xpsp.080413-2111)
DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
Video: NVIDIA GeForce 8500 GT 512.0 MB
NVIDIA Driver Version: 6.14.0012.5721
Sound: SigmaTel Audio
sthda.sys Driver Version: 5.10.4823.0000
Hard Drive: Maxtor 6L160M0 147.8 GB
* McAfee Anti-virus
* McAfee Personal Firewall
I turn all the quality sliders down to "YUCK!!" and still do the herky-jerky. For minumum system specs TS2010 is better, anything reasonably current TS12 is probably the better choice. I'm not reasonably current. :'(
Another question that comes to mind.
I seem to remember back to when I was debating getting TS10, and I was feeling a little confused about the different editions, world edition, engineer etc.
Is TS12 the complete deal, or does anybody know if Auran will be putting out TS12 'whatever' edition in a couple months that might hold something that T12 might not contain?
Thanks for the responses.
I seem to remember back to when I was debating getting TS10, and I was feeling a little confused about the different editions, world edition, engineer etc.
Is TS12 the complete deal, or does anybody know if Auran will be putting out TS12 'whatever' edition in a couple months that might hold something that T12 might not contain?
Thanks for the responses.
Only N3V knows the answer to your question.
If there is something in the works, the Beta Testers will not (or should not) say anything.
Regards,