I'm gonna vent here

[matruck]

[QUOTEIt's better than not putting it on the DLS though; the reliability record of third-party sites is beyond awful][/QUOTE]
Yeah that's ok RR if that's what make's you happy then cool stick with it, I'll stay with 3rd party site's as Aurun/N3V won't look after your Content once up on the DLS and to answer your 2nd post i totally agree but once the Content is uploaded it's too late because by the time sumone from Aurun react's a heap of it's been downloaded already, And policing it with the community wont work either because in the end the same young people breaking the rule's are the same young people downloading it either here or where ever it is to be found.
Cheers Mick.

 

[backyard]

Lot's of bad product...

I downloaded a reskinned SPorBust SD70M today with the crappiest job of reskinning I have ever seen...it was so bad the reskinner actually had to use a real picture to identify the locomotive...

I am sure when N3V returns from Holidays things will change rather abruptly...:hehe:

 

[johnwhelan]

Quote:
Originally Posted by johnwhelan
It's the person whoso work has been reskinned without permission who has to request such auction.

Cheerio John

John, dose that mean it has to go to the highest bidder?
Or are you just trying to wined captainkman up?:hehe:

You hadn't heard that N3V is profit driven?

Bye John

 

[Gandalf0444]

I do tend to agree. However there are a few out there who think they have the right to dictate how you use it for your personnel use.
For example I re skinned some coaches, but they were re textured by a person prior to me to add some details, such as rivets. All I did was replace the railroad name/care numbers and place a name on the car such as "Putnam".
Then the re skinner barged in and started reprimanded me because I re skinned the reskin without the proper authorization from him/her. Sorry but last time I checked I am free to do as I want with them on my computer so long as I don't go about giving them out to the world for download. That is what "grinds my gears" the most. Apparently a screenshot of them in game for my use was against the law. I subsequently had the thread deleted as I did not want to deal with BS that the user brings to the table each and every time there is a conflict with said user.

 

[TheWaluigiKing]

Why not sue Auran?

 

[RRSignal]

Yeah that's ok RR if that's what make's you happy then cool stick with it, I'll stay with 3rd party site's as Aurun/N3V won't look after your Content once up on the DLS and to answer your 2nd post i totally agree but once the Content is uploaded it's too late because by the time sumone from Aurun react's a heap of it's been downloaded already, And policing it with the community wont work either because in the end the same young people breaking the rule's are the same young people downloading it either here or where ever it is to be found.
Cheers Mick.

Last time (and also one of the first times) I became aware of someone uploading content illegally, about a month and a half ago, the content had been downloaded about 10 times AFAIK before disappearing. That's pretty good.

As far as "looking after my content", I trust Auran to do so more than any third-party site, which is also a reason why I put it on the DLS.

 

[PerRock]

I do tend to agree. However there are a few out there who think they have the right to dictate how you use it for your personnel use.
For example I re skinned some coaches, but they were re textured by a person prior to me to add some details, such as rivets. All I did was replace the railroad name/care numbers and place a name on the car such as "Putnam".
Then the re skinner barged in and started reprimanded me because I re skinned the reskin without the proper authorization from him/her. Sorry but last time I checked I am free to do as I want with them on my computer so long as I don't go about giving them out to the world for download. That is what "grinds my gears" the most. Apparently a screenshot of them in game for my use was against the law. I subsequently had the thread deleted as I did not want to deal with BS that the user brings to the table each and every time there is a conflict with said user.

1st I need to be clear that I'm not a copyright lawyer. I just play one on TV, no wait, that's still not right. Oh yes; I've looked into it a bit after some dealings.

Copyright law carries from county to country (and even state to state here in the US). However the law you need to follow is your governing laws (for me it's Michigan & US) as well as the laws for the original creator of whatever your reskining; as he would be filing in his local court, not yours. That being said it's bloody hard to do that.

Here is the US it is deemed 'ok' to reskin something without permission as long as it stays on your computer. However from my understanding (and maybe someone from there can clarify more) in UK reskining it at all without permission is illegal.

That all being said if your reskining something & it's going to stay on your computer, you should be fine just doing it. There are a few creators out there that will complain, but most won't go thru the expense for a lawsuit for a small reskin.

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For content creators, it's really up to them. Some will take their stuff down for no reason that you can tell, maybe they just got tired of TRS & doesn't want their stuff around anymore; who knows. However most don't take their content down due to someone reskining it & releasing without permission, instead they go thru the proper channels and have the infringing item removed. I've done this for some of my textures other people have modified & re-uploaded.

Generally you first contact the person who infringed on your copyright & ask them to remove it, most times people will. If not you go to their website host; almost all web hosts have a no-tolerance position when it comes to copyright infringement and upon your request (you usually have to fill out some forms) they will either remove the infringing item or (more often) shut down the whole website. If the person continues to ignore them, then you can file a lawsuit. I've personally gone as far with someone to have the content removed from their site by their host.

peter

PS. There is also the matter of screenshots, I've been told that in the UK screenshots of 'personal' reskins are technically redistributing.

 

[martinvk]

I agree that what you do with the objects on your own computer is no one else's business as long as they stay there. Especial if you don't talk about or show them. There might be a slight objection to talking about or showing them because there iscould profit being made, if only in an increased reputation. Personally I don't see it but some might be more sensitive than me.

I also don't see how boycotting the DLS and only uploading to 3rd party sites is any protection against unauthorized use. How that offers any more protection is beyond me. Once an object is public, you can only hope that the downloader's moral and ethical compass is working. You might try suing but at what cost? Forum shunning might have some effect if you can reliably identify the guilty but with internet anonymity, good luck.

All this kind of makes me nostalgic for the innocent days when Trainz was young and almost everyone was more concerned with helping and sharing.

 

[johnmactsf]

When I download from the DLS, I do so in good faith, assuming the content has been properly vetted.

Personally, if a list of contraband content is published, and any of it is on my system, I will gladly delete it.

I have the utmost respect for intellectual property, having been on the short end of the stick several times in the past.

I have "modified" a lot of older content to be functional in TS12, but I have not distributed it, nor uploaded it, despite a number of requests to do so. I assume I am within the right of use to to upgrade for my own benefit....but cannot publically share. Please correct me if I am wrong. However, it seems as though posting instructions to modify content to current standards (even including screenshots of modified config.txt files) is acceptable. Again, I assume this practice falls under the "fair use" principle.

I think 3rd party sites are just as prone to abuse as the DLS, though some seem to be quite vigilant.

The providing service, whether it be the DLS or another site, cannot become a policing agency...but perhaps they can take the initiative of permanently banning those users who persist in violating licensing and "fair use" principles.

Regards:

JohnMac

 

[Euphod]

Community policing is a worthless notion. The community can't agree on anything, and some will surely support a person's "right" to upload work without permissions in place. No one cares about the rules that exist now, so how do you expect the community to care about a few uploads?

Each person is responsible for their own actions, and it seems in the world today, that's as far as it goes.

It's fine to be outraged, but, really...you're wasting your time and energy. Just look the other way and conduct yourself as you know is right. No one else cares, and it's a waste of time to try to enforce rules on someone else.

Pity, that's the world my children have inherited...

 

[Wyonate]

Community policing is a worthless notion. The community can't agree on anything, and some will surely support a person's "right" to upload work without permissions in place. No one cares about the rules that exist now, so how do you expect the community to care about a few uploads?

Each person is responsible for their own actions, and it seems in the world today, that's as far as it goes.

It's fine to be outraged, but, really...you're wasting your time and energy. Just look the other way and conduct yourself as you know is right. No one else cares, and it's a waste of time to try to enforce rules on someone else.

Pity, that's the world my children have inherited...

Well put. I guess what got me going was a thread I was reading thru and some where laughing at the idea of (these are my words) "Ripping someone off." What ever happened to honesty?

 

[amigacooke]

Community policing is a worthless notion. The community can't agree on anything, and some will surely support a person's "right" to upload work without permissions in place. No one cares about the rules that exist now, so how do you expect the community to care about a few uploads?

Each person is responsible for their own actions, and it seems in the world today, that's as far as it goes.

It's fine to be outraged, but, really...you're wasting your time and energy. Just look the other way and conduct yourself as you know is right. No one else cares, and it's a waste of time to try to enforce rules on someone else.

Pity, that's the world my children have inherited...

The fact that this thread exists proves that someone cares.

Good thing William Wilberforce didn't take this attitude. Yes, I do realise the issues are not comparable.

 

[Euphod]

The fact that this thread exists proves that someone cares.

Good thing William Wilberforce didn't take this attitude. Yes, I do realise the issues are not comparable.

I wouldn't have expected you to agree with me, which perfectly illustrates my point. Thank you so much!

What ever happened to honesty?

Honesty still exists, but in individuals, not in groups. I understand your frustration, and I share it, but on these forums when you speak out against behavior that is considered "wrong" by morals or by the very rules provided to members, then you are targeted and mocked.
The only person you can effectively police is yourself, and since there are few consequences from using these forums, it's probably the only choice you can make that will preserve your sanity.

 

[Deano5]

To the OP, I assume that you have spoken with the creator of this content and they have given you their permission to start this thread?
Forget about all the wars and problems with people dying needlessly, never mind starvation and poverty, some mindless yob just reskinned some bloke I might know's train without the correct form filled in.......
Now that I've had my rant I'm going off to do some more curtain twitching.:hehe:

 

[IsambardKingdomBrunel]

To the OP, I assume that you have spoken with the creator of this content and they have given you their permission to start this thread?
Forget about all the wars and problems with people dying needlessly, never mind starvation and poverty, some mindless yob just reskinned some bloke I might know's train without the correct form filled in.......
Now that I've had my rant I'm going off to do some more curtain twitching.:hehe:

I needed a laugh, cheers for that. :hehe:

Honesty went out the window, along with giving up your seat for old ladies, opening doors for them and saying please & thank you without fail.

Reskinning without permission, is way down the scale of the crimes in the the world. Blame the people at the top, governments, politicians in general, the police. The whole of society is rotten to the core, top down without exception.

IKB.

 

[amigacooke]

Removed by poster as off-topic.

 

[leeferr]

Honesty went out the window, along with giving up your seat for old ladies, opening doors for them and saying please & thank you without fail.

I still give up my seat to ladies, old or young. I open doors for them and I still say please and thank you. The breakdown of society and basic decency is not lost on all and I won't accept the fact that just because so many misbehave, that it's okay.

Mike

 

[IsambardKingdomBrunel]

I didn't say it is ok, i was saying the opposite.

IKB.

 

[leeferr]

I didn't say it is ok, i was saying the opposite.

IKB.

I understand that. I was simply reinforcing your stand, but I guess that I did it rather poorly.

Mike

 

[Dermmy]

Reskinning without permission, is way down the scale of the crimes in the the world. Blame the people at the top...

No, I blame the person who reskinned without permission. I don't care what the universal standards of honesty or integrity are I still believe every individual is responsible for their own decisions and should accept the consequences of those decisions.

Just because the world is going to hell in a hand cart doesn't mean I don't resist the slide every step of the way...

Happy New Year

Andy