I need some help! PLEASE!!!!

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mikeshahan1960

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I have been working on a route of my own now for weeks. I've been very careful to save it as I go, etc. I have been test driving it as I work, of course. This last test drive I saved as a session wanting to go back to where I was at a later time and pick up on it. But, I wanted to edit the route/session some more. When I went back to edit it.... the sessions for that route are all gone! It is unbelievable. I have lost weeks of work. There is no reason for this that I can see. I can open the saved driver session I was on and pick up on that, but I can't edit it. And the sessions I had saved to edit with surveyor have disappeared!

This is, without doubt, the most **** up thing I've ever seen. I didn't even exit the game, just went to the route menu to load up the session I've been creating and it was all gone.

Please, is there anyway to recover this, anyway to open up the driving session I saved and edit it? Something?

I can understand the dorky way signals work and some of the other things that seem to be put together by monkeys, but this takes the cake. What in the world would be the reason to delete the session one was working on???? Just because you saved a driving session?

I hope someone has an answer! Please!!
 
Hi,
Had this sort of problem myself in the past.
There is a good chance all is well.
Can you see your work in ContentManager?
If so, open for edit and commit and hopefully all will be well.

Very frustrating time till you get the hang of it!
Rog
 
Ghost42 said:
Hi,
Had this sort of problem myself in the past.
There is a good chance all is well.
Can you see your work in ContentManager?
If so, open for edit and commit and hopefully all will be well.

Very frustrating time till you get the hang of it!
Rog
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I'm going to try that... I'll let you know shortly. Not sure what you mean by commit but I'm going to go look.

Thanks so much!
 
Well, it's not in "Open for Edit". And there are sessions with older dates on them in "My Content" but not sure how I open them.

Can I somehow open the saved driver session for editing?
 
COMMIT is a CM process, thatcommits any changes you make into the database for the route, loco etc. Trainz will automatically COMMIT everything thats open for edit.
When you go into Content Maager you will see all the route, each time you opened it and savedit, so a good version wll be there somewhere.

When you go into the game, all the versions you have will be there, look under routes and/or sessions

Find the one you know to be the last working one, and save it under a different name (V3.1 or summat) You should do this for eachsave so you know what is good etc
 
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barn700 said:
COMMIT is a CM process, thatcommits any changes you make into the database for the route, loco etc. Trainz will automatically COMMIT everything thats open for edit.
When you go into Content Maager you will see all the route, each time you opened it and savedit, so a good version wll be there somewhere.

When you go into the game, all the versions you have will be there, look under routes and/or sessions

Find the one you know to be the last working one, and save it under a different name (V3.1 or summat) You should do this for eachsave so you know what is good etc
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Well, that sounds hopeful, but alas, it is not working. The last entry for anything I've done on any of my routs / sessions or anything is for Dec. 24. I've worked all day yesterday and today as well and none of that is in CM. Also, none of it is in the game either.

As I've been working on my route / session I've been driving it. However, I've never saved the driving session after a test. That way I'd always start out at the beginning of the session after my last edit. However, on this last drive I decided I'd save the driving session since I drove almost an hour and it was really coming together. I just wanted to make a few adjustments to the route/session and drive again and thought I might be able to pick up where I'd left off.

So I saved the driver session with a new name (descriptive name so I'd know where I was)d then went back to the Route's menu to load the route/session I've been working on. The route is there but not the session. And, unfortunately, most of my latest work was saved somehow in the session evidently. I've opened the route and it is missing about 60 percent of what was saved! I mean huge chunks of track, industry, everything... just gone.

So, unless there is some way to restore from the saved driving session, this route just got flushed. What rinky-dink way to create a game. There is much I love about this, but stuff like this really just sticks in my craw.

Anything I'm missing? I'm very new to all of this, obviously.

Thanks so much so far.
 
Are you looking the right place. Used to be if you saved a session, it copied the route if you renamed it and both routes were now on your PC. If you still have the old route under surveyor then you should have the changes up to the point where you saved last time. If you over-wrote the old map with a new map, then that map is now your route, but you can't find or access that map?

In 2006 I had sessions and routes show up months after I gave up on them, all due to the vagarities of the database.
 
Euphod said:
Are you looking the right place. Used to be if you saved a session, it copied the route if you renamed it and both routes were now on your PC. If you still have the old route under surveyor then you should have the changes up to the point where you saved last time. If you over-wrote the old map with a new map, then that map is now your route, but you can't find or access that map?

In 2006 I had sessions and routes show up months after I gave up on them, all due to the vagarities of the database.
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I know I'm at somewhat of a disadvantage here because I'm so new so some of the terminology and such I'm having to learn as I go.

However, the only things I can find either in CM or in the game itself, so far, are the route with the proper name but no sessions at all and the saved driver session in the sessions section of the game. However, there is no way to open that for editing and I don't find it in CM either. It appears that when I saved the session during driving it somehow deleted the session I was editing. And, for some reason, most of my editing over the last couple of days was saved to the session and not to the route. Does that make sense?

Mike.
 
Ok... here are the results of the database repair:


Message: Performing database repair
Message: <kuid2:82412:850004:1> has been found at a new location.
Message: <kuid:61109:108> has been found at a new location.
Message: <kuid:467400:2000> has been found at a new location.
Message: <kuid:523:1116> has been found at a new location.
Message: <kuid:467400:1034> has been found at a new location.
Message: 'editing:my own world' is not a valid asset and will be moved to the trash folder.
Error: Asset <kuid:-2:2> does not match the asset database record
Error: Asset <kuid:553181:1003> does not match the asset database record
Error: Asset <kuid:553181:1012> does not match the asset database record
Error: Asset <kuid:553181:1013> does not match the asset database record
Error: Asset <kuid:553181:1018> does not match the asset database record
Error: Asset <kuid:553181:1005> does not match the asset database record
Error: Asset <kuid:553181:1006> does not match the asset database record
Error: Asset <kuid:553181:1007> does not match the asset database record
Error: Asset <kuid:553181:1008> does not match the asset database record
Error: Asset <kuid:553181:1009> does not match the asset database record
Error: Asset <kuid:553181:1002> does not match the asset database record
Error: Asset <kuid:553181:1010> does not match the asset database record
Error: Asset <kuid:553181:1011> does not match the asset database record
Error: Asset <kuid:553181:1001> does not match the asset database record
Error: Asset <kuid:553181:1014> does not match the asset database record
Error: Asset <kuid:-2:1> does not match the asset database record

"My Own World" is the name of my route. "002" was the name of the session I was editing.

the KUID numbers above don't mean anything to me, so not sure if any of this was my stuff.

Interesting: Message: 'editing:my own world' is not a valid asset and will be moved to the trash folder. seems like a clue. However, the trash folder is empty. :(
 
If you can see an "autosave" listing in Surveyor or Driver, click on the load button. It just may be your missing route/session.

tomurban
 
tomurban said:
If you can see an "autosave" listing in Surveyor or Driver, click on the load button. It just may be your missing route/session.

tomurban
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:'( I tried that too. Everything I've tried is much older content.

Even the folder named "My Own World" in the Trash folder contains a map file that has a time stamp of around 10am this morning. But at least that would be newer than anything else I've found so far. Is that useable? will it contain both my route and session?

I think I'm screwed here... think I'll be creating a new route from scratch. ugh.
 
It look like you have first created your route then you have created a session for it. ...Correct?
Then you have gone and edited your route again... If you do this your session can't recognize you route because you have altered it.

Once you have started a session you must edit the session only... NOT the route.

If you at any time edit the route for what ever reason you must save it and the sessions under a new name first.
 
j_maybury said:
It look like you have first created your route then you have created a session for it. ...Correct?
Then you have gone and edited your route again... If you do this your session can't recognize you route because you have altered it.

Once you have started a session you must edit the session only... NOT the route.

If you at any time edit the route for what ever reason you must save it and the sessions under a new name first.
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I suppose that is what I did. What I found when I opened the route to edit it was that it was incomplete. So, I figured out what you just said, and would open the session to edit that. What I suppose I've lost is that session. Why, I don't know.

Now, that session is saved as an "in progress" drive session. It's all there. But, I can't get to it to edit it. And the part I was editing is gone. Is there some way to get to the "in progress" drive session that is saved and open it for editing?

Is this a bug? Or are we not to save "in progress" drive sessions until we are completely, totally, irreversibly happy with our route/session?

Given what you've told me it does seem what has gone missing is the edited session. The old 'route' is there. But much was added in the session.

Thanks for everyone's reply. If anyone has a fix... or a magic wand... I will be forever thankful.

Mike.
 
Mike,

The fix is to do all edits on the Route Layer rather than the Session. Use the session as a way to setup the trainz and the AI for action. This is the way I do it, and have had very few problems.

In the past it was said that the saved driver sessions are not the same as the sessions you created to drive in. In other words the driven route is not really connected anymore to the editing section. Once an edit is made, the old driver session is no longer valid.

One of the things that will prevent database corruption is to run the program with developer options checked to show the database process consoles. These are command windows that run while Trainz is running. When the TADDaemon closes, after you've exited from Trainz, then it's safe to turn off your computer.

To enable this, go to the Options panel when you start Trainz. Choose Developer tab and check the show the command consoles, or something to that effect. I can't remember the wording offhand at the moment.

John
 
JCitron said:
Mike,

The fix is to do all edits on the Route Layer rather than the Session. Use the session as a way to setup the trainz and the AI for action. This is the way I do it, and have had very few problems.

In the past it was said that the saved driver sessions are not the same as the sessions you created to drive in. In other words the driven route is not really connected anymore to the editing section. Once an edit is made, the old driver session is no longer valid.

One of the things that will prevent database corruption is to run the program with developer options checked to show the database process consoles. These are command windows that run while Trainz is running. When the TADDaemon closes, after you've exited from Trainz, then it's safe to turn off your computer.

To enable this, go to the Options panel when you start Trainz. Choose Developer tab and check the show the command consoles, or something to that effect. I can't remember the wording offhand at the moment.

John
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Thank you, John. I will do that in the future. After I was well into creating my route I noticed that some things had been added in the session layer and some in the route layer. I didn't give it too much thought at the time, but now I see the importance of it. I'm going to start on a new route and will be much more careful.

That was my first route and I was really having fun with it. It was a good learning experience as well. I had eight inter-dependent industries operating within the route, three portals feeding the route with two more portals for receiving, 2 passenger services from either direction and a regular freight -- all of which were coming from the portals. All of that was on AI. Then I was operating a yard and 2 more local industries that were shipping off the board myself. I actually had it all working pretty well with much trial and error. lol! Just as I was about to put the finishing touches on it this happened. Sheesh!

Oh well... live and learn. Thank you to everyone for all the good info.

Mike.
 
All is not lost

Mike - There are ways of recovering your lost sessions.

First make a customised filter in CM like this:
* Press Clear button and Plus button
* Select Author and enter # and your registered kuid number. This will show all the content you have made.
* Press plus and select AND
* Press plus and select Category, Routes
* Press plus and select OR
* Press plus and select Category, Session. You have to hold the mouse button and drag it to session.

Now click the "Asset KUID" columm heading to sort the entries chronologically.
Press the Save button and call it My Routes and Sessions

Now try to identify a session you are missing. It will have a puzzle piece.
When you have found one, click Edit and view the config file.

It should say "Profile" on the top line. A little way down is the "Map-Kuid" line.
You will find that the specified kuid is missing from your list in CM. Note that the map kuid also appears in the kuid-table lower down. Close the config file.

Now you need to find the kuid of the map you want to associate with the session. View the config of the session which you last saved for your route. Using the mouse, select and copy the map-kuid including angle brackets (Ctrl+C).

Now open the lost session for edit in explorer and open the config.txt file.
Paste the correct kuid into the map-kuid line (not the profile kuid). Also paste over the kuid-table entry where the wrong map kuid is.

Save and close the config and the explorer and then, in CM, select your session and commit the asset (Ctrl+m).

With luck you will have one session back in action.
Right-click the session and check for the options "View in Surveyor" and "View in Driver".

If something goes wrong, revert the session and try again.
Something that makes it easier to identify maps and sessions is to type a description into the Route Info and Session Info boxes below the Routes list.

Be aware that if you changed your route or added track in a session, the "fixed" session may produce unexpected results, such as having a loco parked on non-existing track.

Hope this makes your New Year a hapy one.

Trevor
 
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