I don't think that insurance covers this . . .

[wholbr]

Hi everybody.
Cyberdogreen, many thanks for your posting at #38 of this thread. Now that you have pointed it out, i do remember the those plates on the sides of those old diesel locomotives. However, I was not aware of the information they carried so again many thanks.

Simply out of interest I would still like to learn if there is compulsory plating of modern rail locomotives in similar fashion to heavy goods vehicles here in the UK, as those plates provide valuable information to many involved in the management of the road haulage industry especially the VSSA (Vehicle & Standards Service Agency).

The above organization along with its forerunner (VOSA) has done much in recent years by way of roadside inspection to rid the UK of many of the “cowboy operators and drivers” that plagued the roads of Britain for so many years in the past. In that the compulsory cab plating has been invaluable.

The above is why i am wondering if the same legislative plating plating is operated in the rail industry, and if so what role they played. Cannot seem to find much information on the web, although I have not spent that much time looking over the weekend due to watching the Olympic Games, Great (LOL).

Bill

 

[wholbr]

Hi again everybody.
Cascaderailroad, in your posting at #39 of this thread and others I am unsure of the argument you are trying to make. Are you saying that incidents such as the failure of the of hauser in the locomotive lift happen and therefore “it is alright”. If the foregoing is the case, then my reply to that statement is, “these things should not happen, can be avoided” and therefore “it is very much not alright.

There would seem to be among some posters in this thread the thought that incidents such as that which happened to the locomotive during the lift are cost free to the general public and therefore of little significance. Not so, it is always the general public that in the final analysis picks up the bill for incidents brought on by mismanagement and incompetence.

In the above the incident it is (or was) either the shipping company, the port authority, the railway company or their insurers that will in the first instance foot the bill. However, the foregoing will be an on-cost to those organisations which will eventually be passed on to the general public by way of higher overall charges for the services they provide. To place the foregoing in a different framework, if you have a significant number of any particular incident(s), that will make a significant difference to the cost we pay for the requirements we have.

If as it happened with the lift of the locomotive the outcome is purely material, then the cost will have a final limited outcome however high that may be but with no ongoing cost into the future. However, when those incidents involve injury or death those costs can be ongoing for many years into the future as medical and financial support is provided for those injured and/or their families as so often is the case. It is quite right that the support is provided, but it has to be remembered that the funding in the end will be provided by the taxpayer. That is all to often needed because of someone's mismanagement and incompetence.

By example, Here in the UK the Health & Safety at Work Act was brought into being in 1974 by parliament due to the huge number of workplace accidents that were occurring and the pressure that situation was placing on the Health and welfare Service. Since the acts introduction workplace accidents have been reduced by over 83%, with that figure being achieved on the back of an ever growing number of people that make up the national workforce.

Safety pays, by way of the cost and misery that is prevented to those involved in industrial incidents, which is also to the to the benefit of everyone by way of the cost we pay in tax and for the everyday things we need.

As a footnote, my experience as a person for many years working in industrial safety is that you always have one worker who runs around a workplace saying “all this safety is rubbish, I ignore it, gets me finished quicker”. That Employee is always the first person who runs off to the compensation solicitors when something happens claiming "I was not properly protected"…. It never fails…….It genuinely never fails.

Bill

 

[cascaderailroad]

My point is: That if it were not a train ... nobody would care one bit

I have been watching many port accident videos, it is very common and Ship Happens every day ... watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lezN4Vas544

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H15QZK4fnbU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CE4Y91bPgX4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAq-uhXmEi8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOnFgkqFSS4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8rgo3yrcjc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUWnd-0hjYU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jb-OxWN4m_c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xb_U1y3va6Y

 

[wholbr]

Hi Cascade and everybody.

My point is: That if it were not a train ... nobody would care one bit

I have been watching many port accident videos, it is very common and Ship Happens every day ... watch:

Cascade, with every respect to your above posting, the reason people on this forum care that it was a rail locomotive that got damaged is by reason of this forum is here to promote a railway hobby, hence the interest in trains.

In regard to accidents within ports, here in the Uk they have been drastically reduced since the introduction of the Health & Safety at Work Act and now represent one of the greatest achievements in raising standards, from being one of the most dangerous places to work prior to the foregoing act. Ports are concrete proof that safety incidents can be drastically reduced with the right training and incentive of management. Still some work to be done, but what a safety achievement they have become from what had gone before

In regard to shipping companies, once outside territorial waters they are very much a law unto themselves and many things finish up going overboard including very many containers. There was an exelent BBC documentary a few weeks ago on the subject and the ocean pollution it has created. The conclusion was that there is a drastic need for new international legislation such as was laid down for the Antarctica to be brought forward for the worlds oceans.

However the shipping industry very much demostrates how unsafe and polluting many industries would be or return to being without legislation forcing them otherwise. Accidents and pollution do not "just happen" they are "caused" by mismanagment, incompetence or a quest for excessive corporate or personal profit at the expense of everything and everybody else and that includes worker safety.

Bill

 

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