Have you seen the anouncment from Tony?

[deeelare]

My feelings are that some (like myself), have no problems with TRS2006 and CMP !
Let us hope that TRS2009 fixes the bugs in CMP so every member can enjoy it, that it runs as originally designed ?
Let us also hope that the Beta testers do not allow Auran to release an unfinished, partialy tested, product, due to a predetermined date (for economical reasons) as some of the previous releases, but at a time when the new sim is, in the minds of the Beta testers, ready for release !
Let us hope they test using Vista, Xp, dial-up, cable, etc.

Want to place bets ????

Just my wishes ---DLR

 

[QR1408]

My feelings are that some (like myself), have no problems with TRS2006 and CMP !

Let us hope that TRS2009 fixes the bugs in CMP so every member can enjoy it, that it runs as originally designed ?
Let us also hope that the Beta testers do not allow Auran to release an unfinished, partialy tested, product, due to a predetermined date (for economical reasons) as some of the previous releases, but at a time when the new sim is, in the minds of the Beta testers, ready for release !
Let us hope they test using Vista, Xp, dial-up, cable, etc.

Want to place bets ????

Just my wishes ---DLR

Is it really that beta testers allow Auran to release a new sim before it's ready? More likely they're just ignored. As for TRS2006, I had it running reasonably OK for a couple of years,with a lot of error correction, before it started to have major problems. Then it was a case of reinstalling, so I chose install TRS2004 instead.

 

[axe1970]

The sky is falling, the sky is falling, the sky is falling ....... aggghhhhhhh

 

[Petestuff]

I WILL buy all new versions of TRAINZ regardless of the doomsayers comments because I like TRAINZ.
I also buy other software companies versions of trains to find if they suit me.
At present I come back to the motto;

"I've tried the rest but TRAINZ is best"

Petestuff

 

[anand99]

2009 has absolutely no mention of improvements to train schedules and time tables, better driver commands and rules, and AI train navigation.

 

[Tony_Hilliam]

Wow - so many posts and so many misunderstandings. I'm on the road right now, but to clear up a few things:
1. the TC2 column should read TC3 (sorry for the typo)
2. splitting the product into two makes it cheaper if you don't want to buy both - so creators don't have to pay for other people's content they don't want to use and drivers don't have to pay for a world builder they don't use.
3. why should this version be different from Auran's previous track record? Because Trainz 2009 is our total focus. Previously, Trainz has played second fiddle to another project at Auran and this time around we have not bitten off more than we can chew.
4. Peformance - time will tell, but early testing is good. Of course without a limit to the number of objects in a scene, you will still be able to make Trainz perform slowly. The art is in building a route that balances quantity/density with performance.
5. The two versions can exist as standalone versions or you can "patch" or "upgrade" from one to include the other components. Think of TEE like a cross between the Trainz Routes that are available for TRS2006 and Trainz Driver.
6. I was sure there was a "and lots of improvements to other systems" line in the table - perhaps that fell off the bottom. So AI is getting an upgrade (so yes, Drivers will finally realize they don't have to totally clear a junction before they can reverse.

I am sure there were other things raised, but I suggest people re-read the announcement and re-read the TS2009 website to get a better understanding of why TS2009 will be the platform that will re-unite all Trainzers.

 

[Captain_Collins]

Sorry to be sceptical, but how can TRS2009 reunite all trainzers if we are all using different combinations of different versions?

 

[psycho_aussie]

Sorry to be sceptical, but how can TRS2009 reunite all trainzers if we are all using different combinations of different versions?

Because some people haven't upgraded from TRS2004, some haven't upgraded from TRS2006, and some more people missed TC1&2 but got TC3. I believe that TS2009 is intended to provide the next "base" that everyone "will eventually" upgrade to, or something like that...

Chris

 

[Quiebus]

"... TS2009 will be the platform that will re-unite all Trainzers." Sure Tony, as if it is you who decides what people will use as a platform. :waves:

 

[QR1408]

Sorry Tony I guess I'm just a cynical old git, but saying that previous releases played 2nd fiddle? What sort of excuse is that? This stuff was bought with hard earned, it didn't fall out of a gum tree. We don't all have the spare cash to buy every train sim that's released to see if we like it or not. The same sort of claims for TRS2009 were also made for TC3 in the announcements, take a look at Classics forum to see how well that lived up to the hype. I hope that TRS2006 is as good as the claims, and that it is stable platform to build routes with.
:wave:

 

[Mike10]

The same sort of claims for TRS2009 were also made for TC3 in the announcements, take a look at Classics forum to see how well that lived up to the hype.

There's also a number of people posting in there saying that they believe it did live up to the hype. Of course I suspect you have 'selective reading' when it comes to anything that doesn't agree with you.

Quiebus and willblunden, lately you just seem to be seizing on any thread which may give you the opportunity to make the same points again and again. I think people know your thoughts by now, you probably don't need to risk gagging anyone by forcing it too far down their throats do you?

Mike.

 

[pommie]

Mike, no disrespect, BUT, they are as entitled to their opinions and their right to express them as you are, and you make it plain to all what yours are quite frequently (as is your right).
So please extend to all the same respect that they all extend to you

Cheers David

 

[Mike10]

Sorry David, but humour me for a bit here. Where have I made the exact same point (almost word for word in some cases), repeatedly, in multiple threads, over a prolonged period.

Mike.

 

[paulhobbs]

If anybody doubts Auran's ability to pull this off then all they have to do is wait a couple of weeks once it has been released and read what other people think of it. Even better, get involved now via the dev site and get your voice heard before it's too late.

Paul

 

[wreeder]

Tony,

Here's a great idea. Give away the software for free but charge to get on this forum to bitch about Auran and you and everything to do with Trainz.

Auran would be bigger than Microsoft in a month.

Looking forward to TRS2009,

William

 

[MAGLEVSX]

I saw it god the new features and tracks look well.... BLOODY AWSOME !!:hehe:

I WILL SECOND THAT!!!

 

[pommie]

Sorry David, but humour me for a bit here. Where have I made the exact same point (almost word for word in some cases), repeatedly, in multiple threads, over a prolonged period.

Mike.

I wasn't trying to upset you Mike, it annoys me to, but unfortunately they do have the right, just as you have the right to ignore them.

Cheers David

 

[timberdv]

Sorry David, but humor me for a bit here. Where have I made the exact same point (almost word for word in some cases), repeatedly, in multiple threads, over a prolonged period.

Mike.

Well Mike you seem to be the Voice of Auran.

Maybe you think all is well with all their products.

I and the others who complain, do so for a reason.

The product does not perform as described, a lot of the time.

Auran sets standards that they don't enforce on the DLS.

Many of the items for download are faulty or labeled incorrectly.

We know they don't have a large staff anymore.

That's not our fault.

We paid our money for a complete package.

We are only getting about 90% of what we paid for.

Once they get your money they seem to turn a deaf ear or become invisible.

Prime example is the latest release of TC3.

All of a sudden Tony pops up to give us the sales pitch.

Then the product is released with all its problems

Where is all the support?

To your credit, you took the bull by the horns and tried to come up with solutions.

Bravo for you.

Mike, saying "The product doesn't work as expected," is not a breach of loyalty.

It's what we in America say, calling a spade, a spade. Or just the plain truth.

Mike, if it works for you, thats just fine.

If it doesn't work for the rest of us, we are going to complain until something happens to correct our problems.

Get used to it.

If you think we are whining so be it.

We also have another saying in America. "The squeaky wheel gets the grease." Most of the time , it works.

There are about 10 people on these forums who think that Auran can do no wrong.

If you all continue to look at things with a blind eye, with the vision that all is well, the situation will never improve.

This is my opinion.

Now you can take your shots at me.

Dave

 

[deeelare]

Tony Hilliam,

Hopefully you are still following this thread ?

My concern is that Auran is possibly setting a "prior to Christmas" deadline (Economics 101) ? If TRS2009 is going to "reunite" the Trainz community, it must be error-free ! If it takes a month or two longer in development, let it be. Listen to the Beta testers, rather than watching the calendar.
Auran's sales will not suffer in the long haul as long as it is released as a COMPLETED product !

My thoughts ---DLR

 

[ZapperJet]

If anything, Auran's products as of late have served to un-unite (if such a thing exists) the Trainz Community through boat loads of bugs and faulty features.

But on the other hand, the Jet Engine that Trainz runs on is... what?.... nearly 10 years old now? Surely it has to be a difficult task to code on such an old and outdated platform. Doing to means stacking errored lines of code on top of more errored lines of code, and two wrongs don't make a right. Not only is it a waste of time to use this engine, but it's a waste of money as a result.

But that's just my thoughts. I'm not taking sides here, I'm just saying that it's possible most of the bugs that we find have been there since the code was developed, and debugging just serves to make it worse.

Cheerio,
John