Gilberdyke Junction

[DieselDesires]

Hi folks,

Can someone please help me with this one as it's really doing me in.

On the TS2010 ECML route, I have placed a section in from Gilberdyke to Selby. This is so I can run the First Hull timetable along with the ECML.

The problem comes when the train gets to Gilberdyke from Hull. It follows it's path across the "thru west" trackmark, but the signal west of that always tries to take the train to the left, toward Goole.

The thing is, there is a semaphore signal beyond this junction and is showing clear.

I have tried re-laying the track at that section, but it still does it.

Could someone please have a look for me as I am at a loss.

Many thanks.

 

[Kennilworth]

Hi

The signal won't take the train onto the wrong route but is an indication that the junction is set to the wrong direction. Have you placed other trackmarks on the new section of route so that you can tell the train to Navigate via them? It could also be a signalling problem - is your new section signalled correctly? This is just guesswork but a bit more information may help to find a solution.

I've just looked at the junction and there is a yellow marker right behind the target for the straight route which will prevent any train from entering the section. Have you removed this on your extended version?

Regards

Brian

 

[DieselDesires]

Well I'll be a tramps sock!!!

You were totally spot on about that direction track mark.

I can see how I missed it..

Is hiding....

this little bugger, and what's worse is it's part of the origonal route and facing the wrong way.

Thanks so much for having a look.

I only added basic track, fence and texture, but I did put Howden in as a basic station just for timetabling purposes, and signals every 6 HST lengths. (For spacing purposes, ).

Once past that junction, everything was going fine.

I had re-laid either side of those junctions so as no to disturb them and that is probably how I missed it.

Now I just need to sort out some signalling in that area. One other question, is there a reason why some signals show danger and make the train stop, even if the line ahead is clear and has green signal beyond the red one.

Sorry if that didn't make sense but it's getting late and I am just about all trainzed out for today, lol.

Thanks again.

 

[Kennilworth]

Hi again

Are you talking about a colour light signal or a semaphore one? If it's a semaphore signal then the signalling logic works in the correct manner for block working. If the next block ahead is occupied then the signal will stay on until the train slows to about 7 mph and will then clear. I've had problems with this even though the section ahead wasn't occupied when the path ahead wasn't set correctly. However if the train stops at the signal and won't proceed the first thing I would do is click on the signal and see what message it brings up.

Regards

Brian

 

[DieselDesires]

It's the light type I was referring to.

I'll give you an example.

In my greatly edited ECML, I have set up a full day's timetable. As each train arrives at York, it waits for it's timetabled northbound departure.

It is then instructed to go up to a trackmark near where the portals were, and then return, via a junction to the southbound platform ready to depart at it's next scheduled time.

As it leaves northbound, it passes through "YorkDownDeparture" trackmark and comes up against the gantry signal. This signal is always on red, and the train comes to a complete stop before it will change.

This particular one isn't really a problem as there is time between schedules, but it happens at the southbound one at Doncaster Approach, although I was assuming that was to allow for the AI to check all surrounding lines and set points accordingly.

Would I be right in that assumption?

I ought really to check all default switch positions in those area's and see what happens.

I have to admit though, my brain is starting to ache as I am finding the scheduling very tedious - could do with being able to use a text editor and then import it - and I am starting to find I am missing silly little things that are spoiling it.

Getting there though. I have a full north and southbound schedule set up for 13 drivers, started the First hull timetable today and then I have to pick my way through all the locals through Doncaster and Lincoln. Until I get the right stock, its GNER 43's, Virgin 221's (for Hull) and Central Trains turbostars for the local stuff. I am hoping that it will all fit together nicely so I can get a busy old route going.

 

[Kennilworth]

Hi

I normally use the SCS2006 rule when setting up a timetable for such as the SnC add on, however the sheer size of the ECML has defeated me with that rule and I have had to go back to the usual driver commands for this route.

Whenever I have problems similar to yours I use the jsTRF-Path Control rule and Path Control setpath Driver Command to ensure that the correct path is set quickly and accurately. I have used it extensively for approach and departure paths for Kings Cross and York and also for any area where the AI has problems finding the correct path. All priority markers are also set to help the AI take the correct path and I use the Priortyz Driver Command to set the correct priority for each train.

Do you use the Schedule Library for scheduling your trains? If not I recommend that you look at it as it saves a tremendous amount of time when scheduling a number of trains following the same route.

If you have any questions about any of this please post back and I'll help if I can.

Regards

Brian

 

[DieselDesires]

Yes, I have been using scheduling for each "run" as it were.

Each schedule is a timed departure, named as such - e.g. 0900-KGX-YRK

This way, once I have set the drivers up, I can just use "CopyCommands > Insert" so they load in turn.

The only snag with this is if I discover a problem that requires an additional trackmark, it means going through every schedule for that direction which can get a bit lol.

I had considered setting up a schedule for every stage and just have a different on for things such as using a through line or stopping at the station.

I must admit to not knowing anything that your are referring to though! lol. This timetabling lark is probably the biggest undertaking for me since starting with trainz, as I don't have the patience to learn all the landscaping / track laying skills. I do however love autonomy, and the programming of such.

I'll have to have a look at your suggestions after I re-do a couple of days edits I somehow seem to have lost. I copy the Auran folder every day to another location as a backup but for some reason the last one didnt copy completely and after a system restore, it just all went pear shaped, lol

 

[Kennilworth]

Hi again

When you get everything sorted out I would recommend the Path Set rule above. It can be downloaded from and there are instructions available from this site

http://www.js-home.org/trainz/pathcontrol/index.php

One thing about it is that it doesn't like co-existing with the Quickdrive rule so if you use that I would advise looking at the other Path Set rule that is available. The main difference is the ease in entering a path into the rule. The first one finds the next junction for you while the second one has to have each junction entered individually. If you do decide to use it, and encounter problems, post back in this thread and I'll keep an eye out for it.

I too am interested in automation and don't bother driving myself. This is why I prefer to use the SCS2006 rule whenever possible as the decision making commands (If...If Else...If End) combined with variables have enabled me to automate many actions. Unfortunately, as I mentioned above, the ECML is just too big to scan properly for use with the rule.

Regards

Brian

 

[DieselDesires]

Super, thank you for that. I'll go get it.

I had been wondering if there was anyway to do conditional operators such like triggers but with results depending on circumstance.

 

[Kennilworth]

Hi

There are some Hull Trains and First Hull Trains liveried class 222 sets available on the DLS - search for username peterdhicks - these are excellent models but the center coaches require a slight modification to their script to get them to work correctly in 2010 native mode. See this thread for details of how to correct them.

http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showthread.php?t=68294

Peter also has class 91 locos and coaches available from his website

http://peterdhicks.co.uk/trainz/

If you feel like putting up the catenary between York and Hitchin that is.

Regards

Brian

 

[DieselDesires]

Ha ha, Knitting is for old people :hehe:

Talking of overheads, I noticed there's none at Kings Cross. Do they get the passengers to push 'em in?

 

[napierdeltic]

Lol

The electric units at the time the ECML route is modelled on had to go to Moorgate. It was only once the ‘throat’ was re modelled at Kings Cross that the wires were then added.

Cheers
Stuart

ECML Project Leader

 

[DieselDesires]

Thanks for the explanation.

I do feel however that I have ruined it somewhat by running to a modern day timetable, as the speeds were too slow, and so I have had to change to 125mph all the way along many sections, only to find trains spending some time standing when they wouldn't normally. At the minute it's not too bad but when I get the rest of the routes in, I know somwhere like Doncaster is going to be a little choked to say the least. Thats if I can stop Trainz crashing back to the desktop unexpectedly, although I must admit it only seems to me since I added the Railwaves 221's and 170 Turbostars.

It is however, a fantastic piece of work and everyone involved should be given a very large portion of congratulations.

I had seen this on the DPS website long before TS2010 but couldn't ever seem to find somewhere to purchase it from.

Is there any more planned to be made / added to the route at all?

 

[napierdeltic]

Thanks for your kind words

Yes there are plans to increase the length of the ECML. I’m sure you know were the route finishes in real life ! The team are always building.

I do ask on the forum here every so often if anyone would like to join other route sections close to the ECML to ours. Quality must be good and to the correct track gradients and height. Also ask if anyone has problems with the route so these can be rectified for the future.

Feel free to alter the track speeds for 140 MPH for the class 91’s designed speed and all that knitting of overheads !!

Cheers
Stuart

ECML Project Leader