Ghost Train hunter killed by real train....

[pommie]

So the engineer did blow his horn as soon as he saw an obstruction on the tracks...well then what more do you need?

To have it blown earlier, just in case, as proven here the horn was not blown early enough for them to clear the bridge.

As long as activated the braking system and did everything he could to be able to prevent death/injury when he saw the obstruction, then he did absolutely nothing wrong.

You keep repeating this as though I was blaming the driver, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD READ MY POSTS, I have stressed the fact time after time that there is no blame whatsoever by any railroad employee, you are fixating on this very minor point and missing the big picture, there are nearly 500 Americans being killed each year while trespassing on railroad property, although I suppose you do not care at all as they must be all stupid people, just like the thousands killed on the road because they are to stupid to realize that seat belts save lives, just how many Americans are stupid.

I am not saying that there are a lot of stupid Americans, I am just trying to get it across that its mainly normal people doing something stupid.

Someone needs to find a way to at least cut that figure down, by a lot, maybe you can think of a way because, according to you, it seems that giving a quick blow of the horn before entering places of potential danger to life is to hard.

On a different angle on this (horn sounding), if the railroad company did have a policy of sounding the horn, and no-one was killed in this incident, there would be one less traumatized driver, and with nearly 500 trespasser deaths in a year, thats a lot of traumatized drivers,

its just a shame no-one cares about them,

because if they did they would have a policy on horn blowing and there would of been a whistle board there, far enough away to give anybody on the bridge time to get clear, maybe its just to simple a solution.

Cheers David

 

[NickyVeee]

No, you're missing the big picture here pal. Not every engineer assumes that there's going to be an obstruction on a bridge or tunnel, at least not one with humans, that's why it's not mandatory to blow your horn there unless otherwise marked. Statesville, NC is not a densely populated area, but I understand your point, you want it so some engineer at 2am before they cross a bridge will blast their horn a couple times to warn people. I'm sorry that there aren't people in the railroad industry that think like you and want to take extra unnecessary steps to make sure that people aren't trespassing.

No one ever said I didn't care about "stupid people" either, perhaps you should read my posts as well kind sir. You step on live tracks and you throw caution out into the wind, and you must accept responsibility for any injury/death that's caused to you and/or your party. You know it's illegal, so why do it? Answer me that question.

So let's get it from this standpoint, if people knew they were going onto live tracks, why not have a spotter on each end that looks out for trains? Seems to be a more reasonable question since well it's them that are trespassing.

Anyways I'll be done arguing about this in two seconds...

Trespassing is trespassing.

Stepping onto live tracks is illegal.

You can't fix bad judgment calls.

 

[pommie]

500 false assumptions in a year is quite a few dead that could be alive, no matter how you wrap it up, you are still putting the small effort to blow a horn over peoples lives, trespassers or not, and who said I was your pal ??

Why do you have speed limit signs on roads in built up area's, everybody knows the speed is restricted, why do they put fences around airports, everybody knows its dangerous, why do trains sound their horns at protected level crossings, there are bells, lights and barriers to let people know.

Its because we are all humans and as such do some silly/stupid/idiotic things at times and need protecting from ourselves.

You know its strange that a country that puts a "Warning contents hot" on a coffee cup, a warning on clothes irons "do not iron clothes while wearing"
and just one more of the many, "warning contents may contain peanuts" on a jar of peanut butter yet refuses to warn people of impending danger.

Before anyone jumps down my throat about those stupid labels and America, its the same here

And the "its just a shame no-one cares about them," comment was in regard to the poor drivers, not the trespassers, so I throw it back, read my post properly and please do not quote out of context.

Cheers David

 

[NickyVeee]

Look if you want to keep dragging this on and undermining me, go ahead... I've got a bucket of popcorn and a good sense of humor to tide me over.

In the meanwhile, here's what you can do, an actual reasonable solution...

If you really think there should be a law in effect about blowing a horn before every bridge and tunnel across America, call your local congressman and express your concerns there, because there's nothing any of us can do about it here on a forum. You're not preaching to the right congregation.

 

[pommie]

I don't have to contact my Government as that rule is in force in this country.
Check the top right of my post

Cheers David

 

[ZecMurphy]

Guys, I think this has been going on a bit longer than it needed.

We all have different ideas on what happened, but please remember, someone did get killed here. Please also remember that a train crew was involved. Now, I personally don't know if that train crew are Trainz users, but please think of what the might go through if they saw this thread...

I understand that the blame has not been put onto the train crew, but some of the posts can come across that way.

Personally, I wish the crew all the best in hopefully being able to move on from this incident. It's not an easy thing for them to go through (having known a few drivers from Aus who either went through similar, or through new misses).