Getting back to Surveyor and TrainzDem

steamboateng

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Two years ago, I purchased TrainzDem from Herr Doktor Ziegler; that was V.1.3. Being a complete ignoramous in the language and methods of geological survey; projections, datums, algorithms, etc., I spent several difficult days reading and Googling (I'm a confirmed Googleholic!). I finally garnered enough understanding and courage to apply the program to Surveyor in TS2006. The results were outstanding. Notwithsanding complete surprise at the success of my own efforts, the efforts of Dr. Ziegler and his DEM program changed my outlook on creating routes in Trainz. Here I had the tools to model practically any terrain and route on the planet!
I quietly slipped my housebound shackles, skooted to my favorite liquor emporium, and promptly purchased a double six of a fine German brew. Stealthily slipping back to my computor, I heartily toasted a few to Herr Doktor that evening.
I'm and old guy; and being an old guy, I like old things (well, not all old things.....). I wanted to model a railroad verging on the heyday of busy routes, the demise of steam, and the rise of diesel (Rudolph Diesel, another German genius!). New England, with its manufacturing, agricultural and maritime economic base, was a good choice. (Besides, I live here!)
After applying TrainzDem to an area roughly 8 miles square in Surveyor and successfully recreating the rather mundane low hilly country north of Boston (Massachusetts) I found I needed to recreate roadbed that no longer existed.
But Mr TrainzDem and Mr. Google came through for me. I found, and applied historical USGS maps as UTM objects to the Trainz baseboards, recreating a New England countryside not seen since 1947! I simply applied track over the map boards, oten showing turnout placement as well as geodata.
The older raster maps were somewhat oddball, a scale of 1:31680 and using polyconic projection (?) on a 1927 North American Datum (?). But it worked. Once I established reference coordinates for the old maps, they fit nearly perfectly onto the existing DEM terrain. Ron Ziegler's program was versitile and accurate.
I have since upgraded to TS 2010 and a fancy new computer. I found I needed to upgrade TrainzDem also, to work with the laest Trainz editions. Through the magic of cyberspace economics and PayPal I have the latest TrainzDem version (2.1) installed and warmed up. I'm looking forward to recreating the same era in a vitual Trainz-world using TrainzDem and my imagination, as the tools to convey this era.
The purpose of this post? Absolutely none........except perhaps to say "Thanks, Ron", and lift a lager to you.
Regards all
 
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G'day steamboateng,

I'll second that and join you in your 'toast' (although, being a diabetic, I'll raise a glass of Pepsimax, instead)...

Jerker {:)}
 
I was one of these people that figured I could do it all myself or figured I had to do it the hard way (hog and microderm) and after 2009 I thought I was burned out. I got 2010 and decided to spend 30 extra dollars and picked up TransDem.

And I'm sure I asked Roland some very stupid questions, and I'm sure sometimes he didn't even want to return e-mails:hehe:but now I've gotten where I'm actually quite dangerous, and TransDem has given Trainz a whole new meaning for me. It's back to being just absolutely 100% knee slapping fun…
 
TrainzDem does indeed open a whole new set of doors to the hobby. It eliminates that most time consuming and tedious of tasks; generating terrain and tracing routes.
It has been a year and a half since I last used the program. I'm rereading all the documentation and familiar as the basics of DEM generation is, as a topic, I still have to get back on track with the newer TrainzDem program. I remember someone referencing a series of videos on TrainzDem in the forums, but for once the Google Gods have failed me. Can anyone out there reference a site where I might find video tutes.
regards
 
Has anyone tried DEM modelling from USGS NED seamless server at 1/9 arc sec resolution? Is the increase in memory usage worth the extra detail? As it is I plan do dl 1/3 arc sec NED from the site, but am curiouse if anyone has tried the higher res and how much extra work is it?
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Not anymore "work" per say but it does take up more ram. I have plenty in that department and TransDem uses 4 gb of it and I have taken it to it's limit...:D

I did Avondale La in 1/9 arc sec and while there wasn't much in the way of mountains the trackbeds and the riverbank were highly definitive and detailed...
 
Thanks mr scsi. I suppose by more work I mean adding more NED's to the TransDem program, due to memory limitations. At least thats how I'm picturing it.
Did you like the results of the Ned download?
Regards
 
Steamboat, I don't want to derail your tread but I read something in you first post that intrigued me. You say you used a map from 1947 to recreate your route. How far back do these maps go back in the US? I want to make a fictional railroad from SE Kentucky and doing research I found there where a number of small lines operating in the area around 1900. Do you believe these lines will show up in these maps?

I will be investing in TransDem most likely tonight if both PayPal and my internet connection here in rural Thailand holds up. I have been reading many tales of praise for this program and just one last question. Is the learning curve on this program quite steep?
 
First TrainzDem....
The program is worth the $30 simply for the time it save to measure out and recreate a route, as well as the many hours spent creating terain features. It's more accurate than you can ever be, manually laying a route, and it intrinsically saves hours in researching a route through its use of raster maps for laying down the track. IMHO it's $$ well spent.
It does have have a learning curve requiring some dedicated reading and playing with the program. But not something you can't deal with. I was in my mid- 60's when I made my first route with the program. As with any new subject, learning the language of the topic and its definitions are the hardest part. Pushing the buttons to make it happen is the easist chore, as the program comes with ample documentation and examples on what does what.
As far as recreating historic routes......
Well, that's my favorite part. All it takes is an accurate raster map(s), such as any USGS map of an area, with a standard grid you can reference, such as lattitude and longitude, and 'georeferencing' ponts on the map to the standard referenced points on your TrainzDem created baseboards. As I noted above, the maps I used for that project were bases on a 1927 Datum, and a 'projection' no longer common in USGS use. The maps laid well on the DEM created baseboards, and lined up within 1/4 to 1/2 meter with one another. As long as you have accurate maps with a refference grid TrainzDem can digest, I see no problem with it.
Google 'historic USGS maps' to find what's available. Universities, colleges, public and private libraries are the usual haven for these rarities. Yuo might also contact the USGS to what historic maps they have available.
Regards
 
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