General insight provided by making RL track

malaru

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Now that I have a few hundred miles of CSX track under me in researching, placing, etc into the TS12 game- I have learned a lot about the real world RR situation- at least in the areas I have been working on. Its kind of sad too. When I see just how much of the tracks Im working on are abandoned or pulled up or scheduled to be pulled up in real life. - An example is that I finished putting in the Apalachicola & Northern RR line that runs from Port St. Joe, FL to Apalachicola, FL and north to where it connects to CSX near Chattahoochee, FL - Id say 90% of the line is unused compared to where it was at it's peak.

But I see this more and more as I put down track, how many miles are unused- and how many old industry buildings are now just ruines and its kinda sad. I knew industry and the RR industry was having a hard time- but no wonder CSX wants to sell so many miles of their track- its dead now.

Just an observation- I still include most of these dead lines into my mapping on TS12- general rule of thumb I been using is if I can see a trace of it today- and I can look at satellite images from the past 6 or so years and its there- i tend to add it.

Just a real world observation caused by a game.
 
Rail can't do everything the most efficiently. Smaller loads and drop off are best served by trucks and couriers. Rail are best at moving lots of things a long way, as well as bulk loads: one commodity to one set destination, and lots of passengers short distances.
 
It is sad to see this. My area too was covered with lines, but the railroads were over built in some areas which didn't have the business, or were used a pawns in corporate takeover scams. In some cases, branch lines were built out of the way because landowners either didn't want the line near them, or some stakeholder wanted the railroad near them. Here's an interesting thing which happened in my area.

Starting about 1832, what was to become the Boston and Maine, was built as two separate companies. The Boston and Lowell was built between the two respective cities and completed around 1834. Another company, the Andover and Wilmington connected between the two respective towns and had trackage rights over the B&L to head into Boston, which was the big city of the time, the state capitol, and still is quite busy today.

The problem though is the B&L had exclusive rights and the A&W, which also connected to the Andover and Haverhill, and the Haverhill and Exeter and the Exter and Portland, represented a long through route to Portland Maine - the ultimate destination of the what became the B&M. When the trains got to Wilmington, they sat and sat, and sat, and sat until the B&L would let them run. The B&L, you see had the lucrative Lowell commuter and textile market all to themselves while the other companies had to play second fiddle.

In the meantime, the B&M or what became the B&M, realigned their Portland to Boston connections the present mainline today. The A&W and it's connections were consolidated around 1842/45 time period. They also built a couple of side branches to basically bust chops on the B&L. Among the branches was the Lawrence and Lowell. This line was supposed to follow the Merrimack River from South Lawrence to downtown Lowell. This didn't happen and the line was rerouted via Tewksbury. This roundabout route made the branch quite a bit longer, though they did add in a couple of other stations plus business with the state hospital. The reason the line was rerouted this is because the major stockholders in Tewksbury wanted their own train service, which didn't have any at the time. They also built a line from Tewksbury to Peabody with a connection with the A&W at Wilmington Jct.

The B&M also built it's actual mainline and completed that in the 1850s. This route branched off of what is Wilmington Jct. today, about where the old A&W heads to Wilmington - that line is still in use today as the "Wildcat branch". The actual B&M mainline continues via Reading and on to Wakefield then Boston via Malden, and this line is still in use today for commuter trains. When this line was completed, the B&L sued the B&M for breech of contract, and attempted to force them into bankruptcy.

That didn't happen, and the B&M absorbed the B&L in the late 1880s along with the competing Eastern Railroad, which ran up the coast between Boston, Portsmouth, and Portland. Portions of this line are still in use today from Boston to Newburyport with the line north of that abandoned, and the Fitchburg Railroad, which is the western mainline today to New York.

The B&M also absorbed and then abandoned large portions of the competing Worcester, Nashua, Rochester & Portland. They acquired this line in the early 1900s, and by the 1930s, large swaths of this route dismembered and sold off.

Their peak was after the Hoosac Tunnel was opened in 1875, and then later electrified from 1910 until 1946. In the 1910s, JP Morgan bought the company through his New Haven Railroad so the B&M was now under New Haven control. This lasted until the panic of 1916 and JP Morgan lost everything, and sold off the B&M and other assets in order to raise cash. He put the B&M into bankruptcy and many lines were abandoned such as the Lawrence to Peabody, portions of the South Reading and Peabody, and many others. This trimming continued through the 1940s after WWII mostly due to a flood damage when the Bradford to Georgetown was ripped up. The Wakefield to Newburyport, via Danvers and Peabody, Georgetown and Byfield lasted until the late 1950s when Patrick McGuiness took over after destroying the New Haven. He actually got caught due to shady dealings and went to jail for stock fraud. He put the B&M into bankruptcy and that lasted until the late 1970s, and eventually Guilford took over in the 1980s. GTI continued it's swath of ripping up and discouraging business on branches because they wanted to run mainline operations and not bother with feeder lines.

This happened all over the region, and not just to the B&M, in part because industry moved away. We lost our textiles in the 1950s and 1960s, to be followed by shoes in the 1960s and 1970s, and later other industries, which either closed or moved away. The railroads also couldn't compete with the new Interstate which opened up in the 1960s, and the trucking industry had the advantages over the railroads. We lost the Manchester and Lawrence, the Manchester and Portsmouth, and many, many other lines including important ones such as the Concord to White River Junction.

I know it's sad, but that's the way it is. In some cases I look at with a why did they rip up that line just because, then I look at how I could restore it, which is possible in Trainz using Trans DEM.
 
John, from what little I know of US railroad history (and I do admit to ignorance) your description points out to me everything that is wrong with private corporations running services that have such a vital national economic and strategic importance, such as the railroads. Conrail (and again I admit to ignorance) also points out to me what can go wrong when governments try to do the same.

We have plenty of examples here as well of gross inefficiencies and blatant pork-barrelling that are the consequences of private and government operation of important services and utilities.

What is the solution? Perhaps vital infrastructure services should be run by organisations that are flexible enough to respond quickly to economic and social changes, have a social conscience and are not fixated on short term profits - do such organisations exist?
 
Now that I have a few hundred miles of CSX track under me in researching, placing, etc into the TS12 game- I have learned a lot about the real world RR situation- at least in the areas I have been working on. Its kind of sad too. When I see just how much of the tracks Im working on are abandoned or pulled up or scheduled to be pulled up in real life. - An example is that I finished putting in the Apalachicola & Northern RR line that runs from Port St. Joe, FL to Apalachicola, FL and north to where it connects to CSX near Chattahoochee, FL - Id say 90% of the line is unused compared to where it was at it's peak.

But I see this more and more as I put down track, how many miles are unused- and how many old industry buildings are now just ruines and its kinda sad. I knew industry and the RR industry was having a hard time- but no wonder CSX wants to sell so many miles of their track- its dead now.

Just an observation- I still include most of these dead lines into my mapping on TS12- general rule of thumb I been using is if I can see a trace of it today- and I can look at satellite images from the past 6 or so years and its there- i tend to add it.

Just a real world observation caused by a game.

Lots of this sort of thing to contend with:
"The first railway to be built in Stamford was the Syston to Peterborough line of the Midland Railway in 1846-8. The 2nd Marquess of Exeter would not allow the line to cross the Great North Road just south of the town bridge, but insisted on it being hidden in a tunnel under High Street St Martin’s, further south."
 
John, from what little I know of US railroad history (and I do admit to ignorance) your description points out to me everything that is wrong with private corporations running services that have such a vital national economic and strategic importance, such as the railroads. Conrail (and again I admit to ignorance) also points out to me what can go wrong when governments try to do the same.

We have plenty of examples here as well of gross inefficiencies and blatant pork-barrelling that are the consequences of private and government operation of important services and utilities.

What is the solution? Perhaps vital infrastructure services should be run by organisations that are flexible enough to respond quickly to economic and social changes, have a social conscience and are not fixated on short term profits - do such organisations exist?

The railroads were private here right from the beginning, and it's only recently that the state governments have put the brakes so-to-speak on wholesale abandonments. Many states have preserved the ROW and sometimes the lines themselves and mothballed them, or put them to use as short lines. This is all too little and too late, and was done after they too got what they could out of the railroads. The big ones in New York and New Jersey were subject to huge property taxes that were used to subsidize the airlines and new freeways.

The sad part is there are organizations too such as the rails-to-trails groups, which encourage the removal of rail lines instead of rail banking them for future use. My state did rail bank many lines when they purchased the in-state ROWs from the Boston and Maine during the 1970s and 80s. The problems is the rail-trail guys had some influence and quite a number of lines have been ripped up in favor of bike trails. The famous Minuteman Trail is one of them, which given its location is a perfect candidate for light rail (LRV/Trams), but unfortunately, there's that NIMBY factor too that prevents any kind of rail activity on this trail and others which should be resurrected.

Conrail was an interesting beast, which came about as the biggest Northeast USA railroad collapsed under its own weight. This government bailout was basically a government bailout of the Penn Central. The other railroads couldn't compete so they joined in to be come part of Conrail. The sad part is the PC management was still there and the other roads were still competitors. The Lehigh Valley, for example represented a quicker route from New Jersey to Buffalo, NY with great portions also served by the PC. When Conrail took over, the Lehigh Valley found its self on the short end of the stick and was ripped up pretty much across NY State. The EL didn't fare much better with its competing, and much faster line across the Upper Midwest and Ohio to Chicago. This line was abandoned in favor of the more roundabout former NYC Lake Division.

There are so many other examples of these kinds of abusive actions, and outright stupidity too by management. The Milwaukee Road disintegrated due to poor management. The Pacific Extension was quite viable, but they wanted it gone and when there was an accounting error, they used that as an excuse to cut it. They also foolishly ignored any kind of assistance from the government and industry. Yes, GE and Westinghouse wanted to extend their electric and rebuild the system, but no they instead attempted to profit off the copper, which didn't work. They wanted this dismembered and destroyed in the name of profits and cash in their pockets.
 
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