Frustrated at trying for hours

[rjhowie]

I finaklly got a new pc following the death of the former one. Installed Trainz and then downloaded the patches before I moved my route copy back in to work on it and therein lay a problem.

37625 to 38017 installed
38017 to 40040 installed but

40040 to 41844 refuses to so I cannot get to the last one which is 41844 to 4463. It will slowly start then about half way through it seems to cause a blue screen. Have went over this and even re-installed Trainz several times and the first two patches and did a whole evening. Then tried starting the pc in Safe Mode but that made no difference either as it too would get so far then crash! So I will just have to get on with the two patches. At one point that third one I got a message to indicate it wasn't suitable. Hours and hours later there is no point. Rather odd. The programme runs fine and I just wanted to get back to building my layout hence the new machine.

 

[Euphod]

Did you clean the registry between installs? Is there a specific warning, or does it just blue screen?

 

[JCitron]

If you're getting a blue screen like that, this is an idication of something else that's happening on your machine.

Run a memory test such as memtest86 overnight and see if it reports any errors.

Run a chkdsk /f in a command prompt and restart the computer to allow it to scan your drive. If there are reported bad sectors, repeat the same with /r to recover data from bad sectors.

What version of the OS are you using?

John

 

[rjhowie]

It's a brand new machine - may have to get hold of a prog for registry cleaning and wil probably use CCleaner. I am on Windows7. Trainz wil load okay and built-in routes fine. I did try to copy my own 2 routes and use them without patches and got a nightmare. My tramway (over 244 boards) is showing literally hundreds of tenements all over the city as just dark blocks with no windows, etc. Where I have tramlines in set cobbles they are darked out too. That is worrying enough but my build of N. Ireland Rlys is seriously under threat after months and travelling over there. When I brought in my copy of the Local Folder into the new machine I got this message up - "ERROR MAP IS MISSING OR DAMAGED YOUR SELECTED ROUTE IS DAMAGED Your selected route is damaged or has missing files. Return to the main menu and select a new route."

The only working copy of my NIR is on the laptop (copied it there recently) which as some will recall was causing me drawing probs hence replacing the dying main pc. Considering the whole city tramway is now having probs and there is a threat hanging over months of the N. Irish work this is a real downer.

Remind me too where to access Chdsk and best place to get that mem programme

 

[Retro00064]

Just get in to the command prompt (Start -> All Programs -> Accessories -> Command Prompt on Vista), and follow JCitron's directions: type "chkdsk /f" (without the quotes) in to the command prompt, and restart the computer to allow it to scan your hard drive. And to quote him: "If there are reported bad sectors, repeat the same with /r to recover data from bad sectors."

Regards.

 

[Originalwelshborder]

Were you on win 7 on the previous machine? It's not anything to do with needing to run as an "administrator" in win 7 is it? Or the old chestnut of virus checkers or firewall (presumably different branded programs on the new computer)? Norton?

 

[tomurban]

I finaklly got a new pc following the death of the former one. Installed Trainz and then downloaded the patches before I moved my route copy back in to work on it and therein lay a problem.

37625 to 38017 installed
38017 to 40040 installed but

40040 to 41844 refuses to so I cannot get to the last one which is 41844 to 4463. It will slowly start then about half way through it seems to cause a blue screen. Have went over this and even re-installed Trainz several times and the first two patches and did a whole evening. Then tried starting the pc in Safe Mode but that made no difference either as it too would get so far then crash! So I will just have to get on with the two patches. At one point that third one I got a message to indicate it wasn't suitable. Hours and hours later there is no point. Rather odd. The programme runs fine and I just wanted to get back to building my layout hence the new machine.

Do you have DirectX 9.0c installed on your new machine?

tomurban

 

[shaneturner12]

What is probably the case is that DirectX 9 is installed, but it is the very earliest version - an update will be needed to allow the install of SP3/4 for TS2009.

I have created a tutorial for updating Directx - it's at the top of this forum.

Shane

 

[Approach_Medium]

IMO, the best method to move TS from one machine to another is to copy the entire Auran\TSxx folder onto a removable drive, or one that you plan to re-install in the new machine, then simply copy the whole folder onto the new machine's drive. Create a shortcut to trainz.exe, and don't even bother with registry. Trainz doesn't require anything in the registry to work.

If you really want to do the registry install, just re-install TSxx on your new machine, then replace the entire TSxx folder with the old one you copied. It will work fine, and since you copy everything, the content won't be broken.
I have done this many times, and it has worked flawlessly.

If you're installing on Vista or 7, you will need to elevate to admin to do the install, but not if you're just copying into the TS folder.

Hope this was of some help

FW

 

[rjhowie]

This is getting confusing. I did try the chdsk thing (I am on Windows 7) but that didn't work as I got this message up. "Access denied as you do not have sufficentg privileges. You have to invoke this activity in elevated mode."

Going to try moving the whole Trainz via a portable HD and see what happens there. I can get into trainz with no problem and run the built-in routes easily even the "Along UTA Lines" created by someone else. Even there one DMU is black all over when doing a test run. On my tramway I can get access with blackened out tenements and a couple of trams appearing as black objectsd along with a lot of the trackwhile other trams are fine.

 

[shaneturner12]

I can help you with the permissions issue re chkdsk.

You will need to do the following:

1.Type 'Command Prompt' into the start menu.
2, Right-click the Command Prompt result when it appears, then click Run as Administrator.
3.The command prompt window will then appear: make sure it says 'Administrator' at the top.
4.You can then type in the chkdsk command - if you have plenty of time, use chkdsk /r (you will probably have to press Y when prompted, then restart your system)

Shane

 

[rjhowie]

Got into thechkdsk thing.Should have said earlier that I have Directx11 on the pc.
Thought I would try the suggestion of doing a transfer of the whole Trainz 09 from the laptop to the new pc so did that via a portable HD and it works. Still have issues with redrawing but at least I can get back into the Ulster rail project again. My tramway wasn't on the laptop I simply have cdp's of it so will import one of those copies to see what transpires. I will have yto download the trams again but hardly a problem in that area. Hope I do get the tramway back in as it was 3 years walking, noting and builidng all over Glasgow and suburbs hence the almost 250 boards. The N. Ireland Rly project is months but has kept me ticking over. Now i can get to going back over the sea for another look as I build again.

Ws anxious to gte back to my project as it is a helpo on the days i get stuck in the house like a dashed monk in a cell. Thanks so far for the help. Have of course made a copy of my NIR project as I did before!

 

[tomurban]

Please see Post #8 above by Shane. You need the current version of Direct X 9.0c. TRAINZ 2009 SP3 will not patch without it. It will co-exist with Direct X 11

 

[rjhowie]

I have DirectX11.

I made a mistake regarding my tramway route it had been on the laptop when I copied the whole Trainz Prog to the portable HD then to the new pc. However odd things have happened.

In my N. Ireland railways I am now seeing long double broken white lines running alongside lines very often on both sides of the track. Like this...

=============
track track track track
=============

This alsp appears in driver mode.

In addition I am using the same station platforms everywhere but some stations now have no platforms and the lights suspended in mid-air and others have platforms. That they appear in one station and not another is weird.I also have dozens of miles of grass embankments I put on both sides of routes that are not appearing either. Some these do appear on the tramway but they are blatantly all over the NIR project. Now I don't know whether to go round an awful lot of stations putting platforms back in and the same for miles and miles of the embankments. I still get some intermittent redrawings as I said in another thread and blue nothingmess and then I have to sometimes zoom back and forth to get the scebery in. This does not effect my tram system at all.

The tramway works greatly and no redrawing or blue skyness and just the occasional double white line things it is the NIR I am on about as more pressing their if i am to get on with it. Perhaps when done I may be stuck withese lines which wil look odd for folk when driving.

 

[cascaderailroad]

Please see Post #8 above by Shane. You need the current version of Direct X 9.0c. TRAINZ 2009 SP3 will not patch without it. It will co-exist with Direct X 11

Your link in yout tutorial, for Windows7 and Vista shows Redlist DirectX June2010: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...FamilyID=3b170b25-abab-4bc3-ae91-50ceb6d8fa8d

Shouldn't it be this one for DirectX9 (Windows7 and Vista) ? http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...4E-B4BE-4135-95F8-ECFCF9182431&displaylang=en

 

[shaneturner12]

I have checked my links - they are correct (Microsoft's links do not change much - especially the web installer one)

The one you have posted is to the EULA.

Shane

EDIT: rjhowie2, you still need to make sure you also have the latest version of DirectX 9.0C (which Trainz requires) - this will work alongside DirectX 11, and will not downgrade it.

 

[rjhowie]

Firstly, I have realised that some of the rows of white dotted lines are indicating scenic items that are not there. This includes scores of rows of houses in towns as they are alongside the roads which are present. The embankments on both sides of the rail lines and obviously other items have the white dotted lines. You cannot replace them or cancel them.

Secondly in relation to DirectX all the built-in routes have no problems whatsover nor a route I downloaded from the DLS. This problem only effects my 2 builds namely the N. Ireland Railways (greatly) lesser the Glasgow Tramway. These white broken lines replacing scenery are all over the place and appear as I said in Driver Mode when test running. It is also odd that I now have a whole raft of stations with no platforms just broken lines whereas the same platform types appear in a few other stations.

I am noting the suggestion I should have 2 lots of Directx - the 11 I have and the older 9 which seems on the face of it strange and conflicting considering Trainz in other respects is working? When I had the big problem being unable to install all the patches for my version of 09 to get on this is the reason I took up the suggestion to import the whole Trainz Folder from the laptop was due to not being ale to use all the patches. This adds another conundrum as to whether to try installing the patches again.

 

[shaneturner12]

It may be worth doing so, if it's a unpatched version - hopefully, it's less likely to fail.

Shane

 

[JCitron]

Well Bobby,

My route has done the same thing!! Only part of it, but a good portion of it anyway. I had a system crash a month or so ago, and I'm finally back into route editing again. I was working my way back to the old section of my route tweaking some trees and buildings, when I noticed there were some textures missing. Replacing the textures was the grid pattern, but that was twirled around like the textures would have been. There were also no trees, except for a few here and there, and no buildings what-so-ever. Any bridges, except for road bridges, were just rails only.

I then check the "new" section, and everything was fine. It's just the old section of the route that's bad. Any sections I had upgraded recently are fine. Something has become corrupted. I really hope this didn't happen to your fine work.

John

 

[rjhowie]

I have been badly effected to be honest John.

Going over the 4 (of 6) passenger routes of my N. Ireland Rlys it is frustrating especially after all the bad luck i have had including a small house fire and other matters including health issues. Trainz is a wirthy bolt hole then this, In fact the problem is wide.

All the way south from Belfast all the way ti the Border towards Dundalk I have lost all the seperate grass viaducts (giving a more realistic and narrower view). The same has happened on two other routes another is just embry so not a problem. I groaned at that now going over all the many stations I have disciverd the platforms disappearing is wirse than I thought. Now I only have an odd station with platforms and just those double broken white lines in place as where the embankments were. Scores of houses have vanished and the rows of narrow lines sit along the road where they used to be. This is yet another hikd up and even if I painstakingly go slowly through all the stations trying to get platfors in under floating lamposts and fences some are on bends, etc making it fiddly. However even doing that there wil I suspect still be these white lines pervading the scene.

Tomorrow I may try again and see if this reloaded situation of transferring the trainz folder to my new machine take the patches. If not I won't bither with them. Not sure what to do about the suggeston of putting in Directx9 in to sit akingside Directx11? I also have 3 dozen or s efrrors listed. The embanments for example that are replaced by the lines are available still on my list as are the platforms. So far bushes and trees have not been a problem as far as I can see. The embankment zilch is even worse than the vanished houses as there were miles of them and in the atea near Newry there were different gradients that took me ages to do and that is back tio square one never mind the dashed lines. Will see what happens when I put in some platforsm and embankments again on Monday. This is so frustrating as I was doing so well in my aimm to get the whike of what is is left of the Ulster rail system for folk eventually on Trainz and put something modern from across the irish Sea. Even went to the effort of going over there for 5 days.