Fowler 3F Livery Question
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captainkman
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G'day,
Under British Railways ownership they were painted in Unlined Black only; making my custom-painted (not by me though, it was like that when I bought it) lined black Tri-ang model historically inaccurate. I think a similar story applies to the LMSR. The LMSR may have had red examples but I am not sure. The one in preservation that is painted red (47357, painted in MR Red and numbered 16440) is in a fictional livery.
Under Somerset & Dorset Joint Railway ownership they were painted in that railway's blue colour as well as the standard black.
The Train Simulator 2014 model from Mesh Tools includes an NCB (National Coal Board) livery so I assume it is a real livery too.
Hope that helps.
Kieran.
Under British Railways ownership they were painted in Unlined Black only; making my custom-painted (not by me though, it was like that when I bought it) lined black Tri-ang model historically inaccurate. I think a similar story applies to the LMSR. The LMSR may have had red examples but I am not sure. The one in preservation that is painted red (47357, painted in MR Red and numbered 16440) is in a fictional livery.
Under Somerset & Dorset Joint Railway ownership they were painted in that railway's blue colour as well as the standard black.
The Train Simulator 2014 model from Mesh Tools includes an NCB (National Coal Board) livery so I assume it is a real livery too.
Hope that helps.
Kieran.
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G'day,
Under British Railways ownership they were painted in Unlined Black only; making my custom-painted (not by me though, it was like that when I bought it) lined black Tri-ang model historically inaccurate. I think a similar story applies to the LMSR. The LMSR may have had red examples but I am not sure. The one in preservation that is painted red (47357, painted in MR Red and numbered 16440) is in a fictional livery.
Under Somerset & Dorset Joint Railway ownership they were painted in that railway's blue colour as well as the standard black.
The Train Simulator 2014 model from Mesh Tools includes an NCB (National Coal Board) livery so I assume it is a real livery too.
Hope that helps.
Kieran.
Thanks Kieran. I have that add-on for TS2014. Regarding the red Jinty, I guess Paul Hobbs may know the answer.
hauntedclipp
copper-crowned
To my knowledge, jinties only wore all-over black for MR, LMS, and BR, and blue for SDJR. #47357 in the fictional MR red and numbered 16440 was the only red jinty.
captainkman
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Aye, that seems to be the case. And then there's the NCB one, which I just found a photograph of:
Kieran.
Mostly correct except that as the first ones were built in 1924 they never appeared in MR livery. Some used as station pilots in BR days may have been lined black but I can't check that for a couple of days.
They were also never called Jinties, that seems to have been something that Triang invented. Railway men called them Jockos.
Paul
Paul, I never knew that about the 3F. Is there any reason for such a bizarre nickname?
Fowler 3F tanks were always unlined black except for 47473 in October 1948 which was black with single red lining (i.e. not the normal BR mixed traffic style). Lined 3Fs are another Triang invention. If you really want to know about these locos look here:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/LMS-Locomot...id=1409248155&sr=8-2&keywords=locomotives+lms, but it doesn't say why they were called Jockos.
Paul
http://www.amazon.co.uk/LMS-Locomot...id=1409248155&sr=8-2&keywords=locomotives+lms, but it doesn't say why they were called Jockos.
Paul
BLACKWATCH
Mechanical Engineer
They were also known to some as 'Dobbins', http://www.lostockhallmpd.org.uk/10d.html but again it doesn't say why, although it
could be a reference to it being a 'workhorse' as in horses being called dobbins
could be a reference to it being a 'workhorse' as in horses being called dobbins
BLACKWATCH
Mechanical Engineer
They were used on the 'Broad St. - Potters Bar' service in the late 1920's to replace the old NLR 4-4-0T's, so were used in regular passenger service.
They were also used as station pilots, so would have been seen hauling ecs at Euston.
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Last question first. Yes they were widespread throughout the LMS system. They were mainly utilised as goods shunting engines or for short trip goods workings. Empty coaching stock runs to and from mainline stations were also part of their duties, hence the vacuum pipes visible in the picture in the last posting. Passenger work for them was somewhat limited, their water and coal capacities would only allow short trips, such as London to Potters Bar. Their use on such services would not have lasted long since locomotives more suited to short trip passenger work became available in the 1930s.