First Impressions

[Vern]

If I hated TRS2019, then why am I battling my neuropathy spending time in Surveyor trying to build routes?

And given "Rembrandt" has a vested commercial interest in the success of TRS2019, presumably to get paid whatever pittance of a royalty N3V have offered him, then any comment he passes needs to be viewed from that perspective.

For the record, I don't "hate" TRS2019, the product is just dysfunctional - an uneasy mix of old and new which doesn't always work. Having paid £55 for it as a consumer I reserve the right to politely and within the bounds of the CoC offer constructive criticism on the various issues. If Roy and others are too sensitive to that criticism, then put me on your blocked list!

 

[matruck]

Why not just leave and go back to the Sim that pleases you most Vern and take Harold with you, You have both bagged the hell out of any thing to do with this company and those who create content for it along with most versions of the game they have created so obviously they'll never make sum thing you both like.
Posting the comments you have here and over at trainsim I'd call back stabbing as it isn't constructive but I guess that is the world we now live in, If there was a guaranteed way of knowing you'd disappear I'd throw you ya measly 55 quid back just to put a end to this nonsense, Pretty sure we'd get a few other backers here so I wouldn't be alone lol.
Cheers Mick.

 

[FootplatePhil]

...I even remember complaints about TRS2006 "destroying" all the good work that had been created for TRS2004. Alas, my memories do not stretch back further than that.

TRS2006 was the beginning of the end. Before that the Trainz world was young, and Auran could do no wrong. Although even then Trainz was criticised as cartoonish, and MSTS was (apparently, not my opinion!) the goto for simulation realism (just don't expect to be able to model your own layout - that was a club open to only a very few of the inner circle ). Amongst Trainz converts TRS2006 was the first release I can recall that was greeted with mixed feelings. And then the forums crashed !!!! (I have my own conspiracy theory to explain than one).

Oh, how I pine for the good old innocent days of Trainz 1.3.

(Just to be clear, last is sarcasm. TRS2006 SP1 was (is) a personal favourite, and I have enjoyed each new release, which have always built incrementally on the last).


Edit: and just on the forum crash, and off topic for this thread (sorry) - how is it that RoysTrainz has a 'Join Date' showing of Nov 2004, when the current forums didn't kick off until Nov 2006 (which is what all the other old timers have showing as a 'Join Date')? Just curious.

 

[cascaderailroad]

From what I have seen, as I have always supported N3V, and its many, many, progressive versions ... I may as well buy the TS19 $150 Golden version, and give N3V some more monetary support ... Trainz is my life, and I wish N3V to continue to succeed

BTW: TRS2006 Trainz Railwayz-Full Version-SP2-by Merscom-build#3337-trainz-build 2.6, was absolutely perfect, and the CM worked flawlessly, and the game worked fabulously right out of the box, with no patchs whatsoever

 

[Vern]

Why not just leave and go back to the Sim that pleases you most Vern and take Harold with you, You have both bagged the hell out of any thing to do with this company and those who create content for it along with most versions of the game they have created so obviously they'll never make sum thing you both like.
Posting the comments you have here and over at trainsim I'd call back stabbing as it isn't constructive but I guess that is the world we now live in, If there was a guaranteed way of knowing you'd disappear I'd throw you ya measly 55 quid back just to put a end to this nonsense, Pretty sure we'd get a few other backers here so I wouldn't be alone lol.
Cheers Mick.

Post reported for possible CoC breach.

In the meantime Happy New Year and perhaps Tony should appoint you as PR guru for the next version of Trainz, with an attitude like that...

 

[hminky]

Why not just leave and go back to the Sim that pleases you most Vern and take Harold with you, You have both bagged the hell out of any thing to do with this company and those who create content for it along with most versions of the game they have created so obviously they'll never make sum thing you both like.
Posting the comments you have here and over at trainsim I'd call back stabbing as it isn't constructive but I guess that is the world we now live in, If there was a guaranteed way of knowing you'd disappear I'd throw you ya measly 55 quid back just to put a end to this nonsense, Pretty sure we'd get a few other backers here so I wouldn't be alone lol.
Cheers Mick.

Geez, because I complain about Trainz doesn't mean I don't like the game.

Cheered Trainz on all the other train-sim forums when it was good, guess you guys missed that.

Trainz pleases me just not in the present form and TRS2019 will never work for me because it supports nothing I use.

Spent the morning getting trainboi's great old time locos into TANE SP1.

Why TANE SP1? Last version to support pencil42's stub switches.

A relief to not having to worry about Trainz moving forward.

Some of us play all the other sims.

Dead enders unite!!!
Harold

 

[chris2001trainz2010]

Let's make this nice and clear for everyone.

1. TRS19 has a lot of flaws that make it an overall mediocre product.

2. You are fully allowed to like TRS19 despite its flaws.

3. You are allowed to dislike TRS2019 because of its flaws.

4. Constructive criticism helps products improve, if the company listens.

5. N3V is not immune to criticism, nor are they supposed to ignore it.

6. Telling people to stop criticizing something does NOT make the product better; it usually does the opposite.

7. Telling people to buzz off for criticizing something you like is silly and makes you look ignorant.

8. Saying "your opinion is wrong", as many here have done, is simply stupid.

9. Vern, Harold, and I aren't trying to make you dislike TRS19.

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Do i have to make it any simpler for anyone? I sure hope not.

 

[jbaxter1964]

Let's make this nice and clear for everyone.

1. TRS19 has a lot of flaws that make it an overall mediocre product.

2. You are fully allowed to like TRS19 despite its flaws.

3. You are allowed to dislike TRS2019 because of its flaws.

4. Constructive criticism helps products improve, if the company listens.

5. N3V is not immune to criticism, nor are they supposed to ignore it.

6. Telling people to stop criticizing something does NOT make the product better; it usually does the opposite.

7. Telling people to buzz off for criticizing something you like is silly and makes you look ignorant.

8. Saying "your opinion is wrong", as many here have done, is simply stupid.

9. Vern, Harold, and I aren't trying to make you dislike TRS19.

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Do i have to make it any simpler for anyone? I sure hope not.

Some really good points here. Healthy discussion is always a good thing. I wish that theme carried over into more of the rest of our society. Feeling kinda introspective this first day of 2019!

 

[Vern]

Thanks Harold/Chris and JB.

I have followed suit from Harold and re-installed my TANE SP1 HF4. I can indulge my love of route building in Surveyor without all the baggage that comes with this latest version. 95% of the stuff on the DLS and elsewhere ever created for Trainz will run in this version.

 

[RailFan500CA]

I do not have any idea why people are getting so cross at TRS2019 being criticised. I will be honest,although the turfFX is excellent,the lighting is just plain terrible even though I have tried default lighting and adjusting it,but If Trainz is to look more real to me,the lighting has to look much more real,along with much better physics. But were in 2019 now,and with the physics and lighting of TRS2019,even older games (Like some games that are 10 years old.) still look more real and the physics are more real. TRS2019 is still great fun,but I personally think Trainz physics need a reality check. (Sorry if that sounded harsh,but almost every other new PC game will have realistic physics.)

But to me the only bonuses are TurfFX and new locomotives and routes,but all the bad stuff is really bad,such as the satanic zombie drivers,bad lighting,built-in routes with poor lighting as other issues,TurfFX complication,and poor UI.

So overall,T:ANE is still much more realistic to me. And I know nothing will ever be perfect,but the game with that bad of physics,bad lighting,poor UI,satanic alien zombie "Train Drivers",and a poorly lighted built-in route,it should have been improved on these before release. So I'm on the non-TRS2019 side this time.

 

[RJArtim]

Critisizing is fine in my eyes, but it is the way some people go about it. You don't have to be mean about it. Some people get right down nasty. It is not only here either. I own Railworks America and I try to keep the attitude on the positive side.

Then there are ways to contact N3V, (Help Desk, Bug report forms) instead of raising an uproar in the forums.

I am still waiting to hear about what is going to happen to the main bug in my mind, thats having to save routes less than v 4.3 making you save a new route with your KUID. I didn't unstall it, or demand a refund or cut them a new suit. Just patiently waiting for some response.

Bob

 

[jbaxter1964]

Some really good points here. Healthy discussion is always a good thing. I wish that theme carried over into more of the rest of our society. Feeling kinda introspective this first day of 2019!

In full disclosure, I very much like TRS2019, to the point that I have uninstalled TANE and SP12. I agree with a lot of the comments related to quality control with the built-in routes, and the user interface for lighting needs a drastic improvement. Same/same with the new textures. That being said, I am not jumping ship on this latest version of Trainz. Patiently awaiting improvements. I probably will continue to explore the other train simulator offerings out there that I already own or are available. Competition generally raises all boats.

 

[clam1952]

Time to chill guys, People are entitled to opinions for or against, good or bad. Nothing to be gained by everyone falling out over it. Season of Goodwill and all that. :wave:

 

[hcrun]

Critisizing is fine in my eyes,....... I try to keep the attitude on the positive side......
Then there are ways to contact N3V, (Help Desk, Bug report forms) instead of raising an uproar in the forums....

Positive criticism is not criticism, Bob.
The noun criticism is most often used to describe negative commentary about something or someone, but it's just as correct to use criticism to mean "an examination or judgment."

No warts are going to be found if the only comments are praising; constructive criticism includes objective comments both for and against.

And the forum is exactly where criticism should be aired. That's what forums were, and are, for.....including 21st. century forums (electronic, such as this).

 

[ffccnn]

Why not just leave and go back to the Sim that pleases you most Vern and take Harold with you, You have both bagged the hell out of any thing to do with this company and those who create content for it along with most versions of the game they have created so obviously they'll never make sum thing you both like.
Posting the comments you have here and over at trainsim I'd call back stabbing as it isn't constructive but I guess that is the world we now live in, If there was a guaranteed way of knowing you'd disappear I'd throw you ya measly 55 quid back just to put a end to this nonsense, Pretty sure we'd get a few other backers here so I wouldn't be alone lol.
Cheers Mick.

Because of this individual's insults I am postponing 6 more months the possibility of buying TS19, disgusting behavior. go to hell

 

[RJArtim]

I get that hcrun, but it still matters how you go about it. Stating problems in a civil way or freak out about it. I prefer the civil way.

 

[EverTrainz]

Before lock!

Instead of looking at the present and past I like to look towards the future. Moving forward, it’s obvious that more content needs made to modern standards, even the TANE track used in the GWR route is looking dated not helped by the mentioned “uniform wash” of color over all the ballast.

Yes, Trainz is in an awkward spot right now because people do not create content for profit, but for their own enjoyment, which usually entails a lazier eye for detail. Lots of exceptions but to compete with the profit-driven routes created for other sims, more detail needs to be put into current routes, more higher-poly PBR locos and rolling stock, clutter meshes, trackside, etc.. The “I someone already made it so I shouldn’t” attitude doesn’t apply as, 99% of that stock was created for TANE and below and thus may be outdated.

I am not holding back on polys or detail on my content going forward as I know by the time they are released the standards of content creation will be upped yet again. Wht’s the point of working for months on a piece of content just for it to look like a beached whale by the time it’s released and the next sim comes out? For this reason I think the over-enforcement of poly count limits are a bad idea, as they tend to fall on the wrong ears. People that create 2million poly buildings in Sketchup will still do so, but loco and stock creators will ease off on polys leading to less detailed creations.

Hope I didn’t offend anyone but just my thoughts.

 

[hcrun]

.......Stating problems in a civil way or freak out about it. I prefer the civil way.

Well.....I think we all prefer civility to abuse but then obviously there are some contributors in this thread who don't agree with us.

Ironically, they are the rabid supporters of the game.

 

[matruck]

Because of this individual's insults I am postponing 6 more months the possibility of buying TS19, disgusting behavior. go to hell

Post reported as if you think me telling sum one to go back to a Sim they enjoy instead of brining this one down constantly and then telling me to go to hell lol, Amazing how Harold and Verns attitude has now changed all of a sudden.
Cheers Mick.

 

[matruck]

Let's make this nice and clear for everyone.

1. TRS19 has a lot of flaws that make it an overall mediocre product.

2. You are fully allowed to like TRS19 despite its flaws.

3. You are allowed to dislike TRS2019 because of its flaws.

4. Constructive criticism helps products improve, if the company listens.

5. N3V is not immune to criticism, nor are they supposed to ignore it.

6. Telling people to stop criticizing something does NOT make the product better; it usually does the opposite.

7. Telling people to buzz off for criticizing something you like is silly and makes you look ignorant.

8. Saying "your opinion is wrong", as many here have done, is simply stupid.

9. Vern, Harold, and I aren't trying to make you dislike TRS19.

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Do i have to make it any simpler for anyone? I sure hope not.

And if I had sum crayons I could explain it to you but I doubt you would get it even then, I'm certainly not ignorant as you seem to think but Harold and Vern have been constantly complaining with every version of the game go back thru sum of their post's and check for your self.
Now I couldn't really care less if sum body has a complaint as I've had my fair share but it is always the same two complaining either here or at other forums which is totally up to them but don't then expect to be given the royal treatment back here.
I'm entitled to defend myself as most of you in this thread have jumped on the soap box now and had your say I'll continue to have mine and will throw out just as many insults as the rest of you enjoy doing.