fare dodging in Scotland..

So it looks like the MBTA got the idea of using zones from British Public Transport!

We use a zone system here as well. I'm at the last zone on my line - Zone 10. We pay $8.25 each way, slightly less if you buy the monthly pass. The monthly pass also has the benefit of allowing travel on all other lines to that zone, and on all subway, bus, and trolley lines as well.

The Charlie Card used for the subway and trolley system is different. It's a single fair of $1.70 in all tunnels, and you can transfer between lines with no additional charge. There's also a free transfer to bus if you need to.

This changes when you go outside the tunnels and on to the street running lines such as the Green Line trolley to Coolidge Corner. There's an additional $1.00 charge outside the tunnels. The fare is $2.00 if you buy on the trolley instead of at a kiosk.

This ticket system is pretty new for us and it's a lot slower than the old token system. In the old days, you'd purchase a token, or a bunch of tokens for later. You'd get to the turnstyle, put your token in and walk through. There was no waiting for the ticket to spit out again, and the purchase was so much faster. With the stupid machines, the process is so slow, and in many cases some only except a credit card instead of cash or vice versa, and you don't know until you try!

What's interesting is the hackers that figured out the system used by the T are now working with the T to fight other hackers! I guess hiring the enemy might be a good thing in some cases.

Bill and PFX. I've ridden those same stops many years ago on a trip to London. You brought back my memories when I read your posts.

John
 
Hi all.

A friend of mine works on the west coast main line. Any fool who try's it on with him, he let's them off but makes sure that at the next main station (if they are going there) the Transport Police are waiting for them.

That's the advice that he has been given as it does not create an situation and it does not put himself in danger (see below for recent troubles reported in UK news).

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/Hunt...uctor-attack/story-14018901-detail/story.html

Regards.
CaptEngland.
P.S. As per usual in the U.K. The chap that helpped is now the wrong doer!?! :confused:
 
British Transport Police followed up the ticket arguer father's complaint and the "big man" in the video has been charged.
 
Very true. The "big man" is a hero and attracted large numbers of fans on the Net and in the general public. That student tried to make all sorts of excuses but he'd been drinking and was a damn nuisance to the ticket conductor. The man charged is a quet natured man by norm and has a good job and I say good luck to him. That the whole coach clapped him when he came back from throwing the smart alec off tells something about how everyone felt about the incident? A second passenger threw the hooligan's bag off after the "flyer". Having been on the Bench myself wonder what I would do if in front of me!
 
Unfortunately, the comments on the article are true. The same would happen here. The convicts would be given a $50 fine and let off.

John
 
So this means that a big brute of passenger, who thinks he is gonna' get up outa' his seat, and make himself into a hero, a big shot, who like a self imposed bully, violently, throws another another passenger off of a train, by "beating him up" ... and you applaud "assualt and battery" by a bully, brute, a vigillante ?

I think it was a call for a cop, at the next station, and they would remove the passenger.

Condoning violence against a drunk or younger smaller person is despicable.

Where are your morals ?

So if was instead ... a woman, or a tourist, or an adolecent ... a big brute is applauded at "beating the passenger to a pulp", and cheered for throwing him bodily off of a train ?

You, and your peanut gallery, with your "mightier than thou" ideas on proper punishment ... make me sick to my stomach !

Why not throw the book at him on him, and banish him to a "desert island" (Australia-French Guinea) and give him no food and water ?

Applaunding, and condoning, assult and battery ... what a bunch of uncivilized, juvenile, jack ass's !
 
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The drunken student (can we remember that is what he was) was actually thrwon off the train rather than bashed about the carriage actually. Indeed the oaf when he got up was so drunk he tried to get back on and couldn't even see his bag lying on the platform.

As for the "big man" he has no history of being oafish, bullying or anything so you are bellowing out here on false ground. The very opposite. He has a good position in business and a quiet man to everyone who knows him. So perhaps when taking the high moral ground you could control the urge to knee-jerk and understand the broader picture. By all means voice an opinion but don't get over emotional (obvious by the need to shout) and say things in your description that are NOT factual.
 
Just to confuse you still further, there's no such thing as the legal system in the UK, since Scots law is quite different to that practised south of the border. Jury trials are generally reserved only for serious criminal cases, so it's unlikely that one would be on call for this case.

I'm a wee bit surprised that nobody yet seems to have mentioned this incident from just a couple of days later, which could send the discussion in a whole new direction:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...d-after-asking-two-youths-to-leave-train.html
 
I go along with masontaylor's explanation as we do have two legal systems here in GB. In fact Scots law has 3 decisions for a judge rather than two! There are of course the 2 standard ones of 'guilty' and 'not guilty' but has a third ,'not proven'. District Courts where I served as a Justice could deal with this or the next level Sheriff Courts where the Justice is actually a trained lawyer.

Whatever the rights and wrongs of the incident with a drunken yob student giving a railman a hard time the arrested man was not as described here on this thread and needed balanced.
 
And it was good that the ticket inspector is back from "sick leave" as well. The 'big man' is a kind of hero here?!
 
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